Diesles for 2014

[Bigfoot62]

My 2009 Kubota L3940 has a Tier 4 interim engine in it. It is already here, and there are no problems. The Tier 4 final engines over 175hp are in new off road equipment now. Tier 4 final engines have been in over the road trucks (pick-up and big-rigs) since 2010. Fear not change, accept it. Philip.

Yep, and that's why I'm driving a '95 Kenworth, and '97 & '03 Ford SuperDuty trucks. I WON'T buy the new junk!!! YOU can ACCEPT it if you want, not me. (sorry for the rant, nothing personal, just one of my pet peeves)
A good friend is the maintenance supervisor for a construction operation. They have three new Class 8 service trucks for their equipment. He tells me that he's lucky if he can keep ONE of them on the job. The other two will be in the shop, all for emissions problems. These are still under warranty, but what good is warranty if you can use the truck?
Another buddy of mine, that's also in the trucking business like me, has three new KW W900's. (2011 & 2012 year models) While he hasn't yet had any breakdowns, he says that his average fuel mileage is 4.5 mpg. My old truck averages 7 mpg or more.

Tier 4F is NOT an improvement. It's a nightmare. IMHO, the EPA is probably the worst example of Big Brother gone bad.

 

[Bigfoot62]

How do we KNOW $3000 is being added to the price of a BX machine? Show me this. All we know is some mis-informed over talkative exaggerating Kubota dealer told a customer that the price was going to be $3000 higher in 2014. For all I know, he was just pushing and scaring the customer into making a sale now before it is too late and the world comes to an end. Philip.

Don't know about a BX. They don't have a catalytic converter - - yet.
The replacement cat for a big truck (18 wheeler) is over $6000. I would imagine that $3000 for a small tractor might be pretty close.

 

[pclausen]

I recently purchased a 2012 JD 5085M with has the new tier4 engine. Here you can see the particulate burn indicators on the dash that will come on at some point during operation to burn those off. Got about 80 hours on the tractor so far and have not seen it come on yet. I hear it will only operate every 500 hours or so.

And here's a shot of the monster muffler where you can see the fuel line where diesel gets injected during the burn cycle.

I have not experienced any negatives yet. In fact, I have observed the following positives:

No exhaust smell ever
No smoke of any kind is emitted from the exhaust, black, grey or otherwise, even under full load
Very quiet exhaust, almost non existent
Very fuel efficient

As for price, the base model went from $45,510 to $47,986, so an increase of $2,476. But there were several other enhancements introduced for MY2012, such as sync range shift from B to C to D range, higher fuel capacity, higher hitch capacity and longer wheel base.

 

[kuboman]

I recently purchased a 2012 JD 5085M with has the new tier4 engine. Here you can see the particulate burn indicators on the dash that will come on at some point during operation to burn those off. Got about 80 hours on the tractor so far and have not seen it come on yet. I hear it will only operate every 500 hours or so.

And here's a shot of the monster muffler where you can see the fuel line where diesel gets injected during the burn cycle.

I have not experienced any negatives yet. In fact, I have observed the following positives:

No exhaust smell ever
No smoke of any kind is emitted from the exhaust, black, grey or otherwise, even under full load
Very quiet exhaust, almost non existent
Very fuel efficient

As for price, the base model went from $45,510 to $47,986, so an increase of $2,476. But there were several other enhancements introduced for MY2012, such as sync range shift from B to C to D range, higher fuel capacity, higher hitch capacity and longer wheel base.

Wait till you start repairing all that junk.:thumbdown:

 

[IslandTractor]

Wait till you start repairing all that junk.:thumbdown:

That is exactly what all the naysayers thought about adding turbos to diesels.. And, septIc systems too. Just put your waste out there for all to enjoy instead of using fancy new technology.

 

[pclausen]

I realize that the more complicated things get, the more things can break. But that's the chance you take to have the latest technology. I for one appreciate the benefits that I have seen so far and will deal with any issues I run into appropriately. My old Ford 1910 was a pain to get started and smoked like a diesel freight train going up a steep hill, and this was like a 32hp tractor albeit with an Yanmar engine in it. I love the simplicity of the 70s era cars I have worked on, but they were a pain to keep in peak tune. New cars are so much easier in that regard, but yes, when something breaks, it can be a pain to fix although the diagnostic tool scanners can sometimes quickly narrow down the issue. Tier4 tractor engines have a port to hook up a scanner to as well.

 

[1savoy]

"No exhaust smell ever
No smoke of any kind is emitted from the exhaust, black, grey or otherwise, even under full load
Very quiet exhaust, almost non existent
Very fuel efficient"

Well, without the smoke, smell, and noise there will just not be any fun owning a tractor anymore Those are just a few of my top priorities in purchasing a tractor. It is like someone wanting to put Swamper Boggers on their 4x4 and worrying about road nosie. I figured road noise was extra credit, just like the smell, sound, and smoke of diesels. All kidding aside, I know technology keeps moving forward, but I am sure going to miss the old technology. Love the old junk and will probably have to keep some around forever. Just my $.02.

 

[kuboman]

That is exactly what all the naysayers thought about adding turbos to diesels.. And, septIc systems too. Just put your waste out there for all to enjoy instead of using fancy new technology.

Geewiz all I remember about adding a turbo was "what took so long to figure this out". Things with emissions has gone out of control and it is being carried to the extreme. That being said there are better ways to carry this out but Deere and some others have gone the most costly troublesome, expensive route. It will cause significant trouble sooner than later, and as it turns out Deere is in the process of going the DEF route in a few years so all the emission junk they put on will become obsolete and expensive to keep for all those that own the present system.
Oh by the way I do have septic system.:laughing:

 

[IslandTractor]

Geewiz all I remember about adding a turbo was "what took so long to figure this out". Things with emissions has gone out of control and it is being carried to the extreme. That being said there are better ways to carry this out but Deere and some others have gone the most costly troublesome, expensive route. It will cause significant trouble sooner than later, and as it turns out Deere is in the process of going the DEF route in a few years so all the emission junk they put on will become obsolete and expensive to keep for all those that own the present system.
Oh by the way I do have septic system.:laughing:

The bleeding edge of technology is always a bit painful but the long term benefits are generally worth it. There are dead ends with some well intended "advances" but it is not really possible to predict those with any accuracy. The Tier 4 technology was not dreamed up by a handful of bureaucrats and there has been plenty of testing. Time will tell but I'd put my money on Tier 4 being recognized as a positive step once the dust settles.

 

[Ductape]

The bleeding edge of technology is always a bit painful but the long term benefits are generally worth it. There are dead ends with some well intended "advances" but it is not really possible to predict those with any accuracy.

Next thing you know, my Sony Beta will be considered obsolete ! Oh the humanity !!