Diesles for 2014

[Storm56]

All I can say is that I am very happy I upgraded and bought my last tractor a couple of years ago and it should last me the rest of my days. Last year I found a very low hour 2007 dozer and bought that too. Both are tier 2, no computer, no high pressure injection, no DPF, no urea DEF, no sensors, no emission crap to break and no big repair bills for such stuff.

 

[IslandTractor]

Next thing you know, my Sony Beta will be considered obsolete ! Oh the humanity !!

Unlike Hollywood, the good guys don't always win in the market place.

 

[MHarryE]

I don't have deep regrets for having bought my L5740. Even though it meets Tier IV interim, it has indirect injection and is not fuel efficient. The same engine with higher priced but more up to date technology is 22% more fuel efficient. John Deere equivalent as direct injection and when I compared numbers, I old have paid off the dealer premium for the Deere in 2 years. I partner with 2 farmers. One has old tech equipment. His repair bill last year was $25,000 and he thought he got off cheap. The other has new tech equipment and his repair bill last year was zero. In addition, the new tech guy pays less for fuel per unit production. I am glad there are people who like old tech because it increases the trade in value of my old iron so I can run new tech.

 

[kuboman]

I don't have deep regrets for having bought my L5740. Even though it meets Tier IV interim, it has indirect injection and is not fuel efficient. The same engine with higher priced but more up to date technology is 22% more fuel efficient. John Deere equivalent as direct injection and when I compared numbers, I old have paid off the dealer premium for the Deere in 2 years. I partner with 2 farmers. One has old tech equipment. His repair bill last year was $25,000 and he thought he got off cheap. The other has new tech equipment and his repair bill last year was zero. In addition, the new tech guy pays less for fuel per unit production. I am glad there are people who like old tech because it increases the trade in value of my old iron so I can run new tech.

So the old tech guy has new old tech equipment? Or it already has many hours on it?

 

[MHarryE]

So the old tech guy has new old tech equipment? Or it already has many hours on it?

Old tech guy has old tech stuff he spends a lot of money on to keep running. He is not old tech by choice - raised a family, loans that never get paid off, now partners with his son who is raising a family. Has a hired hand who can keep things going by whatever means possible. New tech guy is anti-new tech but has no mechanical ability, is a bachelor who inherited his farm from his dad, and has never had a loan in his life. He has new tech because he can't fix it if it breaks down so he buys new frequently - tractors anyway. Then he bums free mechanic help, like me, when something breaks. Anyway being in the middle I get to run all of the tractors and see how much fuel is being sucked down. I ran the numbers for the guy running the old tractors. He could have saved $5,000 on last year's fuel bill if he had the tractors of the other guy but that kind of savings won't justify replacing one, let alone all 13, of his tractors. As for me, if I realized how much more my indirect injected Kubota uses over its direct injected competitor, it may have made me do some more number crunching although I still would have bought the Kubota.

 

[kuboman]

Old tech guy has old tech stuff he spends a lot of money on to keep running. He is not old tech by choice - raised a family, loans that never get paid off, now partners with his son who is raising a family. Has a hired hand who can keep things going by whatever means possible. New tech guy is anti-new tech but has no mechanical ability, is a bachelor who inherited his farm from his dad, and has never had a loan in his life. He has new tech because he can't fix it if it breaks down so he buys new frequently - tractors anyway. Then he bums free mechanic help, like me, when something breaks. Anyway being in the middle I get to run all of the tractors and see how much fuel is being sucked down. I ran the numbers for the guy running the old tractors. He could have saved $5,000 on last year's fuel bill if he had the tractors of the other guy but that kind of savings won't justify replacing one, let alone all 13, of his tractors. As for me, if I realized how much more my indirect injected Kubota uses over its direct injected competitor, it may have made me do some more number crunching although I still would have bought the Kubota.

It takes a lot of hours of use to make the difference in consumption worth the cost of the new machine. And then the new machine gets old and starts costing extra upkeep too. The problem being the more complicated a machine the more it cost to upkeep as it ages.

 

[indianaEPH]

I have not had one issue with my T4i engine. New on highway T4f issues are few and far between. New off road T4f are working out load vs rpm issues now, but they have allot of on highway experience to make this a smoother transaction. How is this stupid? Clean air? Yeah, that is really stupid. I do not agree with the cost increase, but that is the price of technology, it will come down. I enjoyed the 70's too, but I am glad for all the advances we have made since then. Philip.

Just for clarification, T4i, T4f regulations apply to off road machines only. The on road 2010 are much stricter in terms of emissions and OBD requirements.