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What is the difference in these two tractors? Is it worth more money for the CT335? Thanks guys.
Difference in CT235 and CT335 ?
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LD1
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The CT 335 is a larger frame tractor. It weighs more and has a little more lift capacity. If it were me, I'd look at the 440. Same frame size as the 335 but way stronger loader and more HP. That is if you want the loarger tractor, If you need a smaller one, the 235 is a good bit smaller. You can get all the specs on bobcat's website. As far as if the added cost is worth it, everyones needs are different, and they are both good value, so it depends on what you want. If it is mainlyfor mowing and vary little loader work, then the extra $ isnt worth it. But if doing a lot of loader work, the bigger the better.
CT235 CT335 CT440
Engine HP 34 38 41
PTO HP 26.5 26.5 30
Travel Speed 13.1 15.7 16.5
Weight 3056 3668 3847
3PH lift @ 24" 1508 1700 1870
Loader lift 1225 1300 2050
tire size Ag F/R 7x14/11.2x24 7x16/12.24 8x16/13.6x24
CT235 CT335 CT440
Engine HP 34 38 41
PTO HP 26.5 26.5 30
Travel Speed 13.1 15.7 16.5
Weight 3056 3668 3847
3PH lift @ 24" 1508 1700 1870
Loader lift 1225 1300 2050
tire size Ag F/R 7x14/11.2x24 7x16/12.24 8x16/13.6x24
I'd second that.
If you're looking for a Bobcat, the 335 gets you about 800 more lbs of lift (max) on your 3 point. It has a little larger fuel tank, and weighs about 600 lbs more than the 235. It has a heavier frame, and axles. The heavier frame is mainly for the purpose of an optional cab.
The 335 has 38 hp - the 235 has 34. The exta hp will be watered down, so to speak, by the 600 extra pounds on the 335; especially when pulling a hill. The PTO hp is the same, 26.5, for both models. The 335 gives you no help when mowing, or bush hogging.
As far as the front end loader on the 335; it gains you almost nothing. I think it's rated about 50 lbs, over the 235's loader. If you've never looked into the Kubota dilemma, I'll tell you that the FEL capacity is a huge factor when it comes to whether you'll keep your tractor. Don't get caught climbing the Kubota ladder!
A gain of 50 lbs is nothing! Compare the 335 with the next model up, in loader capacity. The 440 has a loader capacity of 2600 lbs, compared to 1650lbs for the 335, and 1605lbs for the 235. I think you may get the point.
If you look at the hydraulic pump capacity, the 235 has a total of 12.2 gpm. The 335 has a total of 14.5 gpm. But here's the catch! The 235 uses 4.3 of it's total for power steering, but the 335 uses 6.6 gpm for the added cost of turning the steering wheel. If you do the math the numbers equal out to 7.9 for your implement; for both the 335, and the 235. The 335 gains you nothing to your implement.
Compare this with the 440, and you can see the difference. The 440 has a total of 16.1 gpm. It uses the same amount as the 335, to turn the wheel, 6.6 gpm. That means that you just gained 1.6 gpm on your implement, with the 440 over the 335. The 440 for your implement comes to 9.9 gpm. This is on the ragged edge, of the minimum, to use a hydraulic post hole digger. You can do it with less rated flow, but you're not going to move very fast. In fact it's a waste of your time, in my opinion.
The 335 may gain you some lift on your 3 pt, but that's about it. I would only buy the 335, if they offered it to me for about the same price as the 235. Otherwise I would step up to the 440, or that is, if I thought the 235 was to small for my needs. I think the 440 might be the best buy of all the Bobcat CUTs. That's just my opinion. It will take the largest, of any, implement that Bobcat has to offer for any of it's CUTs - at the present time. If I thought that was too much tractor, I would buy the 235.
By all means; make sure you get a tractor that's big enough. I've seen way too many people who have lost their shirts trading up, within a year after they bought their tractor. Take your time! Make sure it's the right tractor before you buy it. The Bobcat blowout is good through September. They may get better before that time runs out. Take your time!
If you're looking for a Bobcat, the 335 gets you about 800 more lbs of lift (max) on your 3 point. It has a little larger fuel tank, and weighs about 600 lbs more than the 235. It has a heavier frame, and axles. The heavier frame is mainly for the purpose of an optional cab.
The 335 has 38 hp - the 235 has 34. The exta hp will be watered down, so to speak, by the 600 extra pounds on the 335; especially when pulling a hill. The PTO hp is the same, 26.5, for both models. The 335 gives you no help when mowing, or bush hogging.
As far as the front end loader on the 335; it gains you almost nothing. I think it's rated about 50 lbs, over the 235's loader. If you've never looked into the Kubota dilemma, I'll tell you that the FEL capacity is a huge factor when it comes to whether you'll keep your tractor. Don't get caught climbing the Kubota ladder!
A gain of 50 lbs is nothing! Compare the 335 with the next model up, in loader capacity. The 440 has a loader capacity of 2600 lbs, compared to 1650lbs for the 335, and 1605lbs for the 235. I think you may get the point.
If you look at the hydraulic pump capacity, the 235 has a total of 12.2 gpm. The 335 has a total of 14.5 gpm. But here's the catch! The 235 uses 4.3 of it's total for power steering, but the 335 uses 6.6 gpm for the added cost of turning the steering wheel. If you do the math the numbers equal out to 7.9 for your implement; for both the 335, and the 235. The 335 gains you nothing to your implement.
Compare this with the 440, and you can see the difference. The 440 has a total of 16.1 gpm. It uses the same amount as the 335, to turn the wheel, 6.6 gpm. That means that you just gained 1.6 gpm on your implement, with the 440 over the 335. The 440 for your implement comes to 9.9 gpm. This is on the ragged edge, of the minimum, to use a hydraulic post hole digger. You can do it with less rated flow, but you're not going to move very fast. In fact it's a waste of your time, in my opinion.
The 335 may gain you some lift on your 3 pt, but that's about it. I would only buy the 335, if they offered it to me for about the same price as the 235. Otherwise I would step up to the 440, or that is, if I thought the 235 was to small for my needs. I think the 440 might be the best buy of all the Bobcat CUTs. That's just my opinion. It will take the largest, of any, implement that Bobcat has to offer for any of it's CUTs - at the present time. If I thought that was too much tractor, I would buy the 235.
By all means; make sure you get a tractor that's big enough. I've seen way too many people who have lost their shirts trading up, within a year after they bought their tractor. Take your time! Make sure it's the right tractor before you buy it. The Bobcat blowout is good through September. They may get better before that time runs out. Take your time!
LD1
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Where did you get your specs for the loader lift and 3ph.
According to bobcats website your #'s are incorrect. And the 335 only has about 300lbs lift over the 235, not 800.
And the loaders don't lift 1605-1650-2600 they lift 1225-1300-2050
I posted the specs directally off the website.
Don't take me the wrong way as I am not trying to argue, just trying to figure out if their is other literature that says otherwise.
But like you said, if their isn't a huge price jump, the 440 has it hands down over the 335. I would buy the 235 anyday over the 335 as it is smaller, lighter, more dimble, and nearly the same spec. If you need bigger than the 235, jump the 335 and get the 440.
According to bobcats website your #'s are incorrect. And the 335 only has about 300lbs lift over the 235, not 800.
And the loaders don't lift 1605-1650-2600 they lift 1225-1300-2050
I posted the specs directally off the website.
Don't take me the wrong way as I am not trying to argue, just trying to figure out if their is other literature that says otherwise.
But like you said, if their isn't a huge price jump, the 440 has it hands down over the 335. I would buy the 235 anyday over the 335 as it is smaller, lighter, more dimble, and nearly the same spec. If you need bigger than the 235, jump the 335 and get the 440.
I got the book from Bobcat. I think they've always rated their specs at different points than other makers. I give the numbers of max lift. I didn't want to go through the whole thing. Lazy I reckon? Here's the numbers you may be referring to, along with the others I quoted.
The book says; Lift capacity at 24" behind lift points (per SAE J283)
1.CT235 - 1508lbs.
2.CT335 - 1700lbs.
3.CT440 - 1870lbs. (same for 445 and 450)
The book says Maximum Hydralic lift capacity, at 24" behind lift points (measured at 15" above ground).
1.CT235 - 1676lbs.
2.CT335 - 2475lbs.
3.CT440 - 2625lbs. (same for 445 and 450)
Loader lift capacity, at 500mm in front of bucket pin.
1.CT235 - 1225lbs.
2.CT335 - 1300lbs.
3.CT440 - 2050lbs. (same for 445 and 450)
Loader lift capacity, at Bucket Pivot
1.CT235 - 1605lbs.
2.CT335 - 1650lbs.
3.CT440 - 2600lbs. (same for 445 and 450)
That might clear it up? I took the max number off the 3 point, and the Loader capacity off the bucket pivot. I was just too lazy to write it all down. Didn't think it would be a problem. The points I used for measurement, are from the same points that Kubota and Kioti salesmen throw at me. That said, I took, and will never take, any offense by any of your questions.
Hope I didn't make no mistakes in this post, with the numbers. I'm not going to recheck them tonight. I'll check, and correct, later if need be. I need some supper and sleep.
The book says; Lift capacity at 24" behind lift points (per SAE J283)
1.CT235 - 1508lbs.
2.CT335 - 1700lbs.
3.CT440 - 1870lbs. (same for 445 and 450)
The book says Maximum Hydralic lift capacity, at 24" behind lift points (measured at 15" above ground).
1.CT235 - 1676lbs.
2.CT335 - 2475lbs.
3.CT440 - 2625lbs. (same for 445 and 450)
Loader lift capacity, at 500mm in front of bucket pin.
1.CT235 - 1225lbs.
2.CT335 - 1300lbs.
3.CT440 - 2050lbs. (same for 445 and 450)
Loader lift capacity, at Bucket Pivot
1.CT235 - 1605lbs.
2.CT335 - 1650lbs.
3.CT440 - 2600lbs. (same for 445 and 450)
That might clear it up? I took the max number off the 3 point, and the Loader capacity off the bucket pivot. I was just too lazy to write it all down. Didn't think it would be a problem. The points I used for measurement, are from the same points that Kubota and Kioti salesmen throw at me. That said, I took, and will never take, any offense by any of your questions.
Hope I didn't make no mistakes in this post, with the numbers. I'm not going to recheck them tonight. I'll check, and correct, later if need be. I need some supper and sleep.
LD1
Epic Contributor
I wonder why their isn't much difference in the 3ph capacity @24" per SAE J283 between the 235 and 335 but their is a big difference in the MAX lift capacity.
I don't know for sure, but ain't the SAE a test based on a timed lift? In other words, the 235 may be able to meet a specific weight in the alotted time, or more comparable weight in the range of a specific timed lift? But not able to fair as well against the 335 in a dead lift (not timed)?
Not sure about this, so try not to laugh at my ignorance. I'm not the smartest pupil in this class.
If so, and the Max is just a flat dead lift; as to how much in can lift without petering out in it's effort - I think I could understand it; but I may be off by a mile.
Gotta go to work, man! If you figure it out, let us Know. I'll try to do the same.
Not sure about this, so try not to laugh at my ignorance. I'm not the smartest pupil in this class.
If so, and the Max is just a flat dead lift; as to how much in can lift without petering out in it's effort - I think I could understand it; but I may be off by a mile.
Gotta go to work, man! If you figure it out, let us Know. I'll try to do the same.
Here guys, thought this might help with questions regarding the differences in specs on the web; as opposed to the ones in the book. It's quoted from a Bobcat dealer's post, on another thread.
Well, not sure where to start. I guess I'll start with specs. Specs vary from manufacturer to manufacturer and within a manufacturer. As good as Bobcat is and anybody for that matter, you can find two different figures on most specs related to hydraulic lift capacities, breakout forces, hydraulic horsepower ect...
One of the reasons for the discrepencies (sp?) is that when machines are being developed and engineered most manufacturers start with theoretical statistics. Such as, a cylinder of x diameter with a stroke of y @ 3200psi x 12 gpm should = X.
Some manufacturers don't even physically measure those calculations to see if they are correct. Hence you have a estimated #. Later, after development, our machines get physically measured by SAE standards. ( 500 mm from pin) for breakout for example. You may end up with two different figures. Society of automotive engineers SAE doesn't provide criteria measuring all the pressures and capacities, this leaves room for manufactures to manipulate the numbers.
There also are some tricks that some manufacturers use to askew the numbers. An example would be Kubota's bucket breakout on their excavators. They have 2 pin locations, one for loading a truck and one for digging. Guess what, they look great on paper, but I don't know anyone who is going to get out, and hammer out 2 pins to switch the positions after every dig cycle.
They also rate their forces at a "place and time" through the lift cycle. So at this spot right here ( 142"s boom out, crowd at 42 degrees, bucket at 30 degrees) we get "x" amount of force...so that's what they publish. Bobcat, you will find, uses a average of the digging cycle...it's a more accurate, real world rating.
Horse power is another one. For decades, Bobcat listed horsepower based on " net", where as everyone else used gross. The competition looked stronger because it was not apples to apples. Net horsepower is based on a engine laden with a muffler, alternator ect.....a truer rating---not a bare engine sitting on a dyno.
With todays web capabilities so many people shop Specs to narrow down what their even going to look at. I have great products to sell, that either compete or more than not, out perform the competition. But I may not even get a sniff because a guy didn't like spec "y".
Let me tell ALL OF YOU!......DON'T SHOP SPECS!!! Go to your dealer and demo the units.
The proof is in the pudding.
Our skid loaders spin our hydraulic and hydrostatic pumps side ways with a pulley.....guess what? Our 773 bobcat at 46 horse had more hydraulic horsepower, more axle torque, and would out lift a 56 horsepower case 1845!
DON'T SHOP SPECS.
Hey Brian,
How about I bring a tractor out and we lift your pallet. Your loader is probably going to be in late next week but we can do it with another one I have. I'm not saying it's going to do it, but let's try it, it's the only way to know for sure.
I hope I haven't come across confrontational, for that's not my intent, if I accomplish anything with this post I hope it is to encourage anyone looking to purchase anything......go try it....don't "bench race".
__________________
Bobcat of Wooster
Steve Helline
Leppo Eq.
480 W. Henry
Wooster, Ohio 44691
330-465-4565
steveh@leppos.com
Well, not sure where to start. I guess I'll start with specs. Specs vary from manufacturer to manufacturer and within a manufacturer. As good as Bobcat is and anybody for that matter, you can find two different figures on most specs related to hydraulic lift capacities, breakout forces, hydraulic horsepower ect...
One of the reasons for the discrepencies (sp?) is that when machines are being developed and engineered most manufacturers start with theoretical statistics. Such as, a cylinder of x diameter with a stroke of y @ 3200psi x 12 gpm should = X.
Some manufacturers don't even physically measure those calculations to see if they are correct. Hence you have a estimated #. Later, after development, our machines get physically measured by SAE standards. ( 500 mm from pin) for breakout for example. You may end up with two different figures. Society of automotive engineers SAE doesn't provide criteria measuring all the pressures and capacities, this leaves room for manufactures to manipulate the numbers.
There also are some tricks that some manufacturers use to askew the numbers. An example would be Kubota's bucket breakout on their excavators. They have 2 pin locations, one for loading a truck and one for digging. Guess what, they look great on paper, but I don't know anyone who is going to get out, and hammer out 2 pins to switch the positions after every dig cycle.
They also rate their forces at a "place and time" through the lift cycle. So at this spot right here ( 142"s boom out, crowd at 42 degrees, bucket at 30 degrees) we get "x" amount of force...so that's what they publish. Bobcat, you will find, uses a average of the digging cycle...it's a more accurate, real world rating.
Horse power is another one. For decades, Bobcat listed horsepower based on " net", where as everyone else used gross. The competition looked stronger because it was not apples to apples. Net horsepower is based on a engine laden with a muffler, alternator ect.....a truer rating---not a bare engine sitting on a dyno.
With todays web capabilities so many people shop Specs to narrow down what their even going to look at. I have great products to sell, that either compete or more than not, out perform the competition. But I may not even get a sniff because a guy didn't like spec "y".
Let me tell ALL OF YOU!......DON'T SHOP SPECS!!! Go to your dealer and demo the units.
The proof is in the pudding.
Our skid loaders spin our hydraulic and hydrostatic pumps side ways with a pulley.....guess what? Our 773 bobcat at 46 horse had more hydraulic horsepower, more axle torque, and would out lift a 56 horsepower case 1845!
DON'T SHOP SPECS.
Hey Brian,
How about I bring a tractor out and we lift your pallet. Your loader is probably going to be in late next week but we can do it with another one I have. I'm not saying it's going to do it, but let's try it, it's the only way to know for sure.
I hope I haven't come across confrontational, for that's not my intent, if I accomplish anything with this post I hope it is to encourage anyone looking to purchase anything......go try it....don't "bench race".
__________________
Bobcat of Wooster
Steve Helline
Leppo Eq.
480 W. Henry
Wooster, Ohio 44691
330-465-4565
steveh@leppos.com