dig it 198t transmition problems

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kmdarling

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I have just purchased a dig it 198t mini backhoe. all hydraulics work well and are in good shape. it has 1200 hrs on it. but the tractor will not move. the previous owner said it was working fine he turned it off to eat lunch and when he went back it would not move. he also said that this happened to him 10 yrs ago and he cleared the lines and it worked fine for the next 10 years. the pump on the trans is working as it also pwrs the stearing piston, when i press the pedal forward or back the trans makes a low moan but does not move. is someone out there familiar with this tractor and does anyone have any ideas, also is there a rebuild kit out there, as i have talked to the company that handles dig it now and all they want to do is sell me a new transmition.
 
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There doesn't seem to be many people that are too familiar with these. I also have one any there doesn't seem to be a lot of information or knowledge about them. I am still learning aboout mine (the hard way) but I'll try and help you as much as I can..
1. When was the last time the filter and fluid was changed? Napa and Carquest have these filters.
2. There is an adjustment for the drive mechanism. It is in the center section between your feet on the transmission. To adjust and make sure that the pedal is in adjustment, Jack up the rear and put it on jackstands. Then put a 2x4 underneath the pedal. Adjust the turnbuckle until the pedal touches the 2x4. There is also a bolt that has a camlobe on it. This controls creep. Make sure that it is not misadjusted or loose. You have to have the engine running in order to play with the cam adjustments. That's why it needs to have the drive wheels jacked up. Let me know if this helps.
 
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I remember there was another TBN member that had drive problems. Said his 198 would only drive when the brakes were slammed on then eventually the machine would only freewheel ( no answer/ solution was ever given to his problem). My Dig-It backhoe uses individual hydraulic wheel motors so I am not familiar with their hydo trans set up. First thing I'd do is take the advice already given on drive adjustment. I would also suggest getting a manual for it.....no better way to see repairs or how something is put together/works. Heartland Construction Equipment Dig It Parts - HEARTLAND CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT sells manuals. I know they are easy to get parts from but don't think they offer much tech support.

I would also search hydrostatic transmission F-N-R switch and swash plate issues. Good luck and please keep the site updated on what you find ( we are interested and it may help someone in the future).
 
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I second the manual purchase.. Kernopelli turned me onto HCE a little while ago for parts and manuals for my 158 towable.. The service I have received from them so far has been excellent including tech support.. I am not sure at what level their tech support is on the dig-it line but they sure know what they are talking about for my 158 towable. Shipping is fast and parts costs are good.. Except for pins lol.. They are average it seems replacement pins are expensive no matter where you buy them ;)
 
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thanks to all, and a happy and prosporus new years to you and yours, I do have more info, ie trans type and mfg, but have misplaced (ie my wife moved it and does not remember where she put it.) I do have manuals for the tractor and will scan and make available asap, this may take a while as i am in hvac at this point in my life and am busy from 7am until its done, usually 7-8pm. and have family duties. so maby in the spring, this unit only has one switch which is called the (switch, safety interlock n/o) in the book, how ever the language in the book is very inconsistant, meaning this switch seams to be called the neutral safty switch in the wiring diagram, which is tied into the emc switch for which there is no other ref. in the lit. not tied into any solinoids that i can find. more to think about. Thank Again K
 
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When I purchased mine, the wiring was a mess. All of the safety switches and back up switch were a mangled mess. When I rewired it, I just bypassed them. Powerkingtractor.com also has parts for them. That is where I got my manual. They are a little cheaper on their prices than Heartland.
 
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thanks ramairhornet I appreciate the new lead on parts. Sorry kmdarling not trying to highjack your post.
 
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Hi Guys.

Before I start to replay to this thread, does anyone have an alternate part number for the hydraulic pump on the front of the engine? It is a John S. Barnes P/N 3396. Any help would be appreciated.

I'm glad I came upon this forum and can probably provide you with some information as I too, have learned the hard way after purchasing mine at an auction sale here in Nova Scotia. My apologies for not reading all of the replies, so if I am repeating what has already been said, I hope I can at least contribute.

The hydrostatic transmission in the Digit tractors does a number of things.

First of all, there is a small gear type pump incorporated into the upper housing of the hydrostat (where the two hydraulic lines come out and go to the steering ram) This small gear pump offers power to the steering ram and does nothing else. That said, you will have to look deeper into the problem of not being able to move.

The second is the hydrostat itself. Encased in it internally, consists of two components identical in appearance. One is a rotary piston pump with a variable swash plate (connected to the drive shaft) . This pumps fluid to its counterpart, a rotary hydraulic motor just below it. The swash plate is what controls the pistons on the piston pump. In the neutral position, (that is when your forward and reverse pedal is in neutral) this swash plate keeps the pistons in a neutral plain so that no hydraulic pressure is being produced to move the hydraulic motor. When you step on the forward/ reverse pedal, through the linkage, you tilt the swash plate one way or the other in order to translate the rotary motion of the engine to an up and down motion of the pistons to provide the hydraulic pressure to move the hydraulic motor one way or the other. You are simply controlling the flow and the direction of flow to make the hydraulic motor turn.

The safety switches to only one thing and that is to stop the engine from running if anything goes wrong. If the engine is still running and you have no movement, then there can be no flow of hydraulic pressure to the hydraulic motor. Starting with the very basics, does it have enough fluid? Is there a restriction of the supply line (the one going to the lower portion of the hydrostat)? Does a physical check confirm that the forward and reverse on the foot pedal actually move the forward and reverse arm located on the left side of the hydrostat? Is the filter dirty? What color is the oil? If it's black or dark in color that is a sign of overheating. Check output shaft and make sure it's not turning when you step on the pedal. This would indicate the rear differential rather than the hydrostat.

That said, the first thing I would do is to carefully open the (smaller) filter hooked directly to the hydrostat and check it for metal contamination. You can use a hacksaw if you have to, however try to eliminate as much contamination as possible from being introduced. Once this has been done, remove the paper filter element and using a sharp knife, cut the paper portion out and spread it on a piece of cardboard. If there are pieces of brass evident, then chances are that the brass has warn on the pistons at some point. This is usually due to running the machine low on oil.

Another thing is to check the output shaft and make sure that it is the hydrostat and not the rear differential that is the problem.

If you need to buy a replacement hydrostat, I think Heartland sells them for around $4000.00 the last time I checked. I have found a cheaper way to repair the old hydrostat if that is indeed the problem. As there are no longer any replacement parts available (that I am aware of) for the old hydrostat, I have found that part from the older John Deere 300 hydrostat can be reworked and used on the DigIt hydrostat. I'll save that info for another day though.

I have photos of all the internal components if you require them.

Hope this helps.

Yours truly,
Doug in the Maritimes
 
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Thank You All for responding everyones info helps.

Doug this is great info really helps me understand how this hydrostat works, still have not had the time to dig into it, looking forward to the warm weather.

I have found some new info since my last post. I contacted kyb the mfg of the hydrostat and they were able to send me an exploded view and parts list, attached here View attachment 198t trans parts list.pdfView attachment 198t trans parts list.pdfView attachment 198t trans blowup.pdf not great but readable.

Also replacement hydrostat can be purchased from power king tractor for around 2500.00, and they have a soft seal kit for about 125.00.

I was also told that the deere 300 trans was the same trans with different input and output shaft spline sizes, is this what you were referring to.
if not I would be interested in your fix and the photos when you get a chance.

Thanks for all your help.

Sincerely,
Kent in New York

PS. I have just found another 198 t and am trying to buy it for parts as it is not running. What luck finding 2 198 t's within 25 miles of my house. so I may have some parts available soon.
 
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Thank You All for responding everyones info helps.

Doug this is great info really helps me understand how this hydrostat works, still have not had the time to dig into it, looking forward to the warm weather.

I have found some new info since my last post. I contacted kyb the mfg of the hydrostat and they were able to send me an exploded view and parts list, attached here View attachment 364210View attachment 364210View attachment 364221 not great but readable.

Also replacement hydrostat can be purchased from power king tractor for around 2500.00, and they have a soft seal kit for about 125.00.

I was also told that the deere 300 trans was the same trans with different input and output shaft spline sizes, is this what you were referring to.
if not I would be interested in your fix and the photos when you get a chance.

Thanks for all your help.

Sincerely,
Kent in New York

PS. I have just found another 198 t and am trying to buy it for parts as it is not running. What luck finding 2 198 t's within 25 miles of my house. so I may have some parts available soon.

Also Doug for the pump my dig it manual has dig it part no. 40-101265 followed by discription [ pump 29YB-R ] you may be able to find it at power king tractor ph. no. 877-262-1191
they have also been very helpfull to me.
 
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I also have a 198T Digit that me and my brother bought several years ago. It has been a real work horse up until yesterday when it quit going forward or backwards. I checked all of the obvious things-like linkage and fluid level. The fluid level is fine but it looks a little murky. We just changed the filter and oil not that long ago. Needless to say I am a bit bummed as a tranny cost is more than we paid for it when we bought it. Hoping to hear back from SpitfireLandscaping on the JD 300 and the pictures of the internals. The loader and backhoe work just fine. Will try to PM Doug if he does not respond. Thanks.

Steve
 
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Well, I am a little embarrassed but glad to report that I solved what I thought was a bad tranny. After going back out and looking things over for a second look I discovered that the linkage that connects to the tranny was in fact missing a pin so it was not engaging properly. A temp fix was to find a bolt with the correct dimensions to insert into the hole locking the linkage to the tranny's shift mechanism. I will get a proper pin to lock it into place tonight after work. More than glad I did not have to source a tranny for this as from the looks of it would be a very expensive expenditure. We are on the move again. It is always good to discover the problem really is something pretty simple.

Steve
 
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Hi guys.
It's been a while since I checked out the forum so I will just make a quick reply to this thread as it's getting late and I will try and address some of the questions that have been asked and get some photos to you. The only thing that you require from the Johne Deere hydrostat is the pistons and swash plates providing they are serviceable. These will fit the Digit hydrostat with one slight modification. That is the Digit hydrostat will have to have all of the holes in the barrels over-bored by (I think) .004". I'll have to check on that. So what you will have to do is purchase a reamer to bore them oversize (cost of around $60.00) and a serviceable Johne Deere 300 hydrostat. (You can check my previous post but I think it was less than $300.00.) Don't try to bore it yourself. Take it to a machine shop as you don't want to screw up the barrels. I'll try and get some photos on over the next week or so when I have a minute. Glad to see there's some discussion going on. Nice to see the reply on the $2500.00 hydrostat as well. Getting reading for the big storm tomorrow here in Nova Scotia.
Take good care all.
Doug in Nova Scotia
 
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So, it looks like this thread is dead. Happy to report my 198T is still running strong. I had to have one of the front bucket cylinders rebuilt as it was leaking like a sieve. Was not cheap but should last a long time. I did a minor resto on mine-cleaned her up an painted. Had seat upholstery redone-got tired of sitting on an old outdoor rug. Put new front rims and tires on. I did source a replacement motor which I went ahead and purchased- It is a Kohler 19HP Kohler CH62-318 Horizontal Engine, Replaces CH62-38 It has the correct 9 tooth spline for the hydraulic pump. Figured I would buy one while I could still afford it. One of the brackets that holds the bucket boom in place for transporting was missing in action so I fabricated one out of 3/8" steel and welded her in place. I gotta say she looks good for an older piece of equipment. And better yet it works great. This thing has bailed me out several times and is a real work horse. I get quite a bit of use out of it. Here are a couple of pictures.

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L8r..

Steve
 
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Hey Datroad.

The tractor sure looks good with the new tires, paint and seat! Thanks for the link on the engine. I don't need one, but sometime down the road I will have this as a reference.

I wouldn't trade mine for a new comparable one of similar size. They are just too good to get rid of.

I am just in the process of building a cab for mine. (Bought a new plasma cutter a few weeks ago and it's sure coming in handy now). I'll update this thread with photos once it is completed.

My biggest beef with the tractor is that there just isn't enough weight on the front end. Just wondering if everyone else is having the same problem and what they did to solve it? I was going to get the front tires filled with lime and maybe install a heavier piece of steel on the blade of the bucket. Any other ideas would be appreciated.

Doug
 
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Yeah, she cleaned up pretty nicely. When I was cleaning her up I removed the back tires and greased everything after a thorough cleaning. Did you know there is a fuel shut-off at the back left side of the rear wheel as you are sitting on the tractor. I replaced all of the old fuel line and put one in up by the engine as I had no clue there was one back there. So, now I have two. The old front tires I took off weighed a ton and must have been filled with something. I have not really used it since I put the new front tires on. I may have to figure something out as well. I tried using Heartland to get parts for my hydraulics-seal kits but to be honest they were not very helpful. They are right here in Iowa so they are close but I will probably not use them again. Customer service sucked. I have the full manual and have all of the filters figured out-oil, hydro-stat and hydraulics. I can post the info if anyone wants it or needs it. I would still like to see what you did to get that John Deere transmission to work. It was out of a John Deere correct? Nice to have at least one other owner to bounce ideas off of. Obviously you made it through that storm from a few years back. Was that when Sandy hit the East Coast? Enjoy.

Steve-in the Heartland
 
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Hey Steve.

I had a hard time getting to this thread so I hope this makes it to you.

I too had problems with Heartland.

The best place by far for Digit 198T is Mission Manufacturing in Princeton, IN. Phone 812-385-5061. Talk to Adam. He owns a 198T as well and he knows these tractors, by far better than anyone else I know. Mission has every single part for the 198T including hydraulic seal kits right up to the bigger stuff. I mean every possible part is available through them. They are reasonably priced, very good on the phone, get the parts out usually the same day UPS. Adam can quote you most parts by heart and he even knows the specific part numbers for the serial number of the tractor.

Hope this helps.

Doug in Nova Scotia
 
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Doug,

Thanks for the info. I have jotted it down and will give Adam a call if I need anything else. I have mine pretty well squared away now. I have a small leak on one of the rear boom cylinders but nothing too bad. I used it this past weekend and the front end is a bit light but it still seemed to work just fine. I am keeping the old wheels around in case I find that I need them. I really get a lot of good out of this machine. Take care.

Steve
 
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Well, last week my old motor finally blew up literally with a bucket full of dirt in the middle of the yard. I had to empty that by hand and wheel barrow. Makes me really appreciate the old girl. We had a rough time dragging it back into the shop so I could work on it. She does not roll at all with the hydro-static transmission. Once in the shop I set about removing the old motor and installing the new motor I had purchased just in case. I can tell you that the Kohler 19HP CH620-318 Horizontal Engine is in fact a direct replacement for the 198T 18 HP motor. I had to remove the blower housing shroud, the ignition switch, and the throttle and choke on the new motor as they would hit the firewall. Plus they were not needed for this application. I need to do some rewiring as the old ignition switch plugged into the new motor harness where I removed the new ignition switch but it would not start. I put the new ignition switch in and she starts right up. I ordered some parts so I can get it rewired-Ignition Switch FITS Kohler 25 099 32-S 04-S 02 Toro 103991 Stens 430-662, Oregon 33-350 5 Terminal Connector for Ignition Switches, Oregon 33-351 Snap-In Wire Terminal, and Replacement Ignition Switch Universal Wiring Harness 5 prong 18" long. The wiring was a mess any ways. Pretty sure all of the safety interlocks were disabled years ago. I also have a new 4 slot fuse block coming as well. Thinking about putting at least one light on the bar so I could see at night. Started her up last night and she purrs like a kitten. As long as the old motor lasted this one should last my lifetime. Will post a couple of pics if anyone is interested. Thanks.

Steve in Iowa
 
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Probably a dead thread as there are so few of these left but here are some pictures. Still waiting on some new components so I can get her rewired. Ripped out all of the old wiring that was doing nothing or had been disconnected by previous owners.

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digite.jpg

Should last me a long time. Cheers....

Steve in Iowa
 

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