DIRECTWAY SAT INTERNET

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Anybody on DirectWay ( DirectTV ) sat. internet. What kind of speeds can I expect. I can't seem to find any technical details on the web sites. I know the speeds vary, but an average ???

I can only get to 44 k on my dialup on a good day !!

Any news or thoughts would be appreciated.
 
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Although I do not have a sattelite internet connection, I think that you will probably like the speed increase over a modem. You might want to consider though if anyone gives you numbers as to the speed, to also consider that one number often left out of discussions about Internet access speeds is latency. Latency is the amoung of time necessary to establish the connection to a site, and often varies widely among connection methods. Sattelite by nature has a very high latency (meaning slow), and so you will not likely experience a huge difference in the speed of general web browsing, but for large file downloads, you will certainly notice. The difference here is that in a large file download, the amount of time to establish the connection is small relative to the total time of the download, so it makes little difference, but for small downloads(like when web browsing), the latency makes up a large percentage of the total download time, and therefore a low latency "slow connection" will often outperform a high latency "fast connection". I hope that I have not confused this issue too much, but I guess my point is to make sure that you understand that one 56Kbps connection is not always the same as another 56Kbps connection. Good luck...
 
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rf33, Thanks for the lesson...I had a bit of an idea of what latency was, but I never had I explained in such simple terms. The big file downloads is my problem now. I receive large email attachements ( ACAD .dwg files ) and need to be able to download current equipment catalog data on a regular basis. I'm not really a surfer, but would enjoy downloading in minutes instead of hours !!

Anyone else ??
 
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Here is a <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.tractorbynet.com/cgi-bin/compact/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=rural&Number=175709&page=&view=&sb=&o=&fpart=1&vc=1>recent thread</A> on the subject.
 
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No Problem, with your large file attachment downloads, the latency should be less of a concern than the throughput. I think that the sattelite solution definitely makes sense for you. For my business (stock trading software), latency makes all the difference since I receive sometimes thousands of packets per second and so I had to go with a T1 to my house to get the proper combination of throughput and latency. Sure is a nice way to surf the net, but a little hard on the wallet.
 
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You may want to look at this <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.directvinternet.com/>link</A> regarding Direct Tv's discontinuance of thier Direcway service. Hughes Satellite seems to still be offering service, so it may be that Directway continues to be viable and DirectTV DSL is kaput. One word of warning on the conumer satellite DSL services - they tend to vary a great deal in response times due to traffic. I have a client that uses the business level service (two-way satellite link) and performance is fair (much better then the dial-up but not as quick as DSL)
 
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Try looking on <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.dslreports.com>http://www.dslreports.com</A> they have all kinds of info on internet service providers. You may also want to look into getting DSL if its in your area. this site will check and tell you all the providers that supply your area. I have had dsl for over one year with no problems and no slow downs. it used to take 15 minutes to down load a song off the internet. with my dsl connection it takes 30 seconds.
 
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DSLreports is a very good site for finding out about satellite througput, and other issues. Another good one is <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.copperhead.cc/>Copperhead</A>

DirecTV is discontinuing their DSL service, not their satellite (DirectWay) service. They have a lock on that. The DSL is too competitive for them.
 
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Andy,

The link you posted seems to be related to DirecTV Broadband and NOT Direcway. Direcway seems to be very much alive - they are busily promoting it on DirecTV.

-david
 
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I stand corrected /w3tcompact/icons/blush.gif. Too much running around the last few weeks to check things out in as much depth as I could.
 
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I have used DirecPc (now called DirecWay) for a few years. Some days (or for a period of time) it is great. Other times, it slows to a crawl. This is one of those periods. I had to disconnect and use my dial-up to post a reply. DirecPc is also throttling back their customers after a period of time on large downloads. I have been told that AOL does not do this although they also use the Hughes satelites. If you have DSL available, I would go that route first. To sum it up: Sometimes my DirecPc service is great, but other times my dial-up @ 28.8 is better. I would sure like to have DSL available to try. Ted
 
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I have a Direcway dish at our farm for both TV reception and Computer link. Latency is an occasional issue, but once connected, I've had no complaints over download speed. I bought the dish outright instead of opting for a payment plan so that I could toggle service on or off as needed without penalty. All in all, though I would not say the speed is quite as dramatic as advertising claims, it is considerably faster than dial-up and acceptable (also basically the only game available to me way back in the mountains).
 
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I switched from dial-up to DirecWay about six months ago. I use it for surfing and online college classes. I use interactive classroom software that works like instant messaging. No problems with latency at all. It's the best decision I ever made. At my job at GM we are connected to the backbone and have incredible speed. Sometimes my DirecWay performs as well as my connection at work. Other times it is just a whole lot faster than dial-up. I understand the latency issue but it has never been apparant to me. (I.E. I've never noticed it)
 
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The previous owner of our place had the Direcway One Way, which is sattelite down and phone up. According to him, the download speeds varied from 150 - 550kps.

I have been seriously looking into the sattelite. I had a cable modem before we bought acreage and our POTs is constantly going out so dial up is a painfully slow option. I have gotten the run around about upgrading the one-way sattelite to two-way. I had a Direcway technician tell me the upgrade was possible and I had a salesman tell me I had to buy the whole new setup.

An alternative sattelite company is Starband (at starband.com of course). Their pricing is similar to Direcway, they claim their downloads are up to 500kps. I have not heard much about them.

Clint
 
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I just did some lurking at www.copperhead.cc on their message boards. It looks as if with some proper tweaking download speeds can rise to well over 1000kbps. Upload through the sattelite never seems to get much higher than about 80 kbps.

A big problem or not is something Hughes implemented to stop a lot of the heavy downloaders. It's called FAP, I forget what It stands for but when you download more than a certain amount (I believe about 169 mb) in a 1-4 hour period they ****** your download speed obscenely. A previous poster may have addressed this but it appears that your download speed may drop as low as dial up.

Clint
 
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<font color=blue> It's called FAP </font color=blue>

The Fair Access Policy, designed to keep heavy downloaders from monopolizing the available bandwidth.

If you have problems with getting "fapped" (most people don't), you can download a FAP monitor which will permit you to adjust your download speeds to keep under the limit. Sort of like cruise control, I suppose /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
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Clint, I have only been subject to FAP one time. I bought some software online and downloaded it to my hard drive (about 100mb). The transfer failed and I had to do it again. This put me over the limit for downloads. I typically only download 1 to 10mb per hour so FAP is not an issue for me.

An hour of web surfing only produces about 1mb of download. The Direcway software provides hourly reports if you care to see them.
 
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Re: Hughes satellites

From what I can understand most of the sat internet providers use Hughes satellites. I had AOL's sat service but gave up on it. It worked real good sometimes but most times not. Best down load speed test was around 800K. They applied 20 MB cap for a while. The sat's aren't much good for online games, even cards. Like what was posted above dslreports.com has a great sat forum. If you read it you can understand what kind of problems happen. I went back to dialup, the sat service was not worth it to me. 802.11 wireless is getting closer.
 
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Re: Hughes satellites

One issue on the satellite internet services is that they will not work with VPN software due to the latency issue.
 
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Re: Hughes satellites

<font color=blue> One issue on the satellite internet services is that they will not work with VPN software due to the latency issue </font color=blue>

This is dependent on the particular VPN software. The one our company has adopted does work over DirecWay, and I have heard that some others do as well. Slow? yes.

We are using an Intel NetStructure VPN gateway, with their propriety software client (formerly Shiva).
 

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