DIRTY CEMENT.

LBrown59 · Dec 27, 2004

( I found the pricing somewhere on the site -- I'm going to have about 9600 Square Feet of driveway, (800' x 12'), and I used their rules of thumb to come up with something around $2K for a surface an inch deep (16 cents to 22 cents per square foot; I used 20 cents as a guesstimate).

What I couldn't find was a rule of thumb about how many inches deep it needed to be for different types of uses The had a link to a design service on another site, but I couldn't get that site to load in FireFox, and it's easier to skip it than to load up a different browser or otherwise figure out the problem.

Without a guess as to how many inches I'd need, I don't have a clue how that $2K an inch translates to my usage.
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It has me wondering what the cost comparison would be for 1200 square feet of it VS a 4 inch thick 1200 square foot poured concrete slab.

LBrown59 · Dec 27, 2004

( LBrown59 . . . unless that ditch is a dry ditch, you won't be able to use PolyPavement in there. Somewhere in my digging on their website it said that it is not suitable for areas that are used for runoff.

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Oops if that's so ;looks like it's back to plan a - Plastic drums for ditch liners.

On the other hand perphaps it may work along side the ditch going about 6 to 12 inches from the edge of the ditch out into the yard.
Any thoughts on that.?

edgaines · Dec 27, 2004

That's right Bob, it does have some weakness that way. Even as "cheap" as the product is, as compared to other alternatives, I don't think I would like to put it in a place where you would lose it.

But, if some might wash away, or deteriorate, it's easy enough to patch and keep up with. I don't think it would make a good driveway surface if you have snow you have to plow. Down here in the Sunny South, without any regular or heavy snow, it shouldn't, at least I hope it doesn't, become a real maint problem.
I'm going to use it, as I said, first, to seal the crawl space under a 40x60 woodworking shop.

Bob_Skurka · Dec 27, 2004

Ed, I'd really like to hear about your experiences after you install it. And some install pictures of what you did to install it.

I'm seriously thinking of doing some paths through the woods with it as I think it might be ideal. I'm also building a garage or barn this spring and may use it for the driveway? The building will be primarily to store one of my convertibles as well as implements, scooters and other toys. There would be no need for me to have to use the snowblower on the driveway as that car wouldn't be coming out of there in the winter time!

OkeeDon · Dec 27, 2004

"It also tells how deep you need to have it, and for what applications. " 

The "costs" tab is where I went. It shows the following information:

 Application Method 1. Mix PolyPavement into the soil, compact the soil

To Address Long-Term, Heavy Weight or Permanent Traffic Area Requirements for the following:
Private Streets
Helipads & Landing Strips
Access and Haul Roads
Golf Cart Paths
Parking Lots
Service Roads & Driveways
Staging or Lay-Down Areas
Storage Yards and Areas
Wheelchair Access Ways
Outdoor Flooring
Walkways and Foot Paths
Patios and Picnic Areas

Approximate Cost*: From 16 to 22 cents per square foot per inch of treatment dept 

I see the cost per inch of depth; I don't see where there are any recommendations for various depths for different uses. For example, I'm certain a landing strip requires a different depth than a wheel chair access path. I'd like to see how many inches they consider typical for a service driveway that will see occasional heavy traffic (propane delivery truck, for example).

I'm sure they can give me typical application specs if I contact them; I'm always reluctant to contact anyone until I'm getting really serious about it -- wastes their time and mine otherwise, and sets me up for potential email clutter.

GerardC · Dec 27, 2004

Driveway:

2" for light duty.... 5 - 10 years

4" for heavy duty.... 5 - 10 years. G

Egon · Dec 27, 2004

Has anyone seen this product in use? If it does not work for drainage situations how does it fare in rain?

The design jump from landing strips to woodland paths using the same materials only thicker seems a little questionable.

For Example: I know of one newly paved airport runway runway that was shut down and resurfaced because the pilot of a 747 was barely able to achieve takeoff speed due to hot weather and soft pavement.

Egon

Archdean · Dec 27, 2004

( Has anyone seen this product in use? If it does not work for drainage situations how does it fare in rain?

The design jump from landing strips to woodland paths using the same materials only thicker seems a little questionable.

For Example: I know of one newly paved airport runway runway that was shut down and resurfaced because the pilot of a 747 was barely able to achieve takeoff speed due to hot weather and soft pavement.

Egon )

What am I missing here? A 747-400 has a max gross Take off weight of 875,000 pounds, you aren't suggesting that this material is suitable for an (aircraft heavy runway) are you?
Perhaps I'm missreading your post!

mrcaptainbob · Dec 28, 2004

Around here a yrd of 'crete goes for about $70. That's just a bit cheaper than the plastic.....
one yd=324 sq ft/1" thk. 324 x .22 (plastic price)=71.28.
Maybe the trade off would be to not have lay sand for the base?