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HayDR
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Fred,
They all use the same principle to cut the hay. The main difference is drability, ease of repair, & your dealer. There are two main types of cutter bars: Shaft drive & Gear drive. Do realize the main line people JD, NH, & others do not build their own 3 point mowers. These MFG's sometimes build the frame but all of them purchase the componants from Europe. A used New Idea mower was either made buy Lely or Comer
They all use the same principle to cut the hay. The main difference is drability, ease of repair, & your dealer. There are two main types of cutter bars: Shaft drive & Gear drive. Do realize the main line people JD, NH, & others do not build their own 3 point mowers. These MFG's sometimes build the frame but all of them purchase the componants from Europe. A used New Idea mower was either made buy Lely or Comer
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New Holland manufactures nearly all the components required to build its disc mowers. They used to buy disc cutterbars from Kuhn, but that ended about 8 years ago.
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I've got a JD 14' disc mower. It's great. I'm not so sure about it's components being imported. I've toured the plant where they make the hay equipment and I was under the impression it was one of the few things left that was 100% made in the USA.
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Cowboydoc,
Your MOCO has major parts from Italy, Spain, & Germany. I doubt Fred is looking for a $20,000 pull type machine that needs 90 HP to pull that machine if he was looking at a used 3 point 7' machine. The MOCO is assembled here but but far for 100% USA made machine. Look at the JD twin hydraulic rake, its 100% American made by Vermeer. In fact Vermeer makes the 850 NO-Till drill. JD doesn't make many of its machines but just relables them. Hesston holds the patent on their round balers. Tonutti MFG's their wheel rakes. Traditionally for the last 50 years Deere has not had advanced technology in their hay equipment. Most all of the MFG's in the USA were years ahead of Deere. Deere ended buying and stealing from other companies to get where they are now. CAT, Vermeer, Hesston have won big patent defence court cases against Deere.
Your MOCO has major parts from Italy, Spain, & Germany. I doubt Fred is looking for a $20,000 pull type machine that needs 90 HP to pull that machine if he was looking at a used 3 point 7' machine. The MOCO is assembled here but but far for 100% USA made machine. Look at the JD twin hydraulic rake, its 100% American made by Vermeer. In fact Vermeer makes the 850 NO-Till drill. JD doesn't make many of its machines but just relables them. Hesston holds the patent on their round balers. Tonutti MFG's their wheel rakes. Traditionally for the last 50 years Deere has not had advanced technology in their hay equipment. Most all of the MFG's in the USA were years ahead of Deere. Deere ended buying and stealing from other companies to get where they are now. CAT, Vermeer, Hesston have won big patent defence court cases against Deere.
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Phred,
I run it with the 4020 or the 4430.
CCI,
I know for a fact that JD has many patents on their hay equipment. I'm not saying they don't buy parts from other places but I do know they have many original designs as other companies do as well. The recent edge wrap technology for the round balers was a JD idea to name one. Heck I think Hesston has great equipment as well. Could you post all those patents and cases that deere has supposedly lost in court?
I run it with the 4020 or the 4430.
CCI,
I know for a fact that JD has many patents on their hay equipment. I'm not saying they don't buy parts from other places but I do know they have many original designs as other companies do as well. The recent edge wrap technology for the round balers was a JD idea to name one. Heck I think Hesston has great equipment as well. Could you post all those patents and cases that deere has supposedly lost in court?
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Net Wrap balers are less than 5% of the USA round baler market sales. JD needs the net wrap because their diamond traction belts strip most of the leaves off legume crops.
JD settles out of court against Hesston on the balers and had to pay a royality to Hesston, Same with Cat on the design of the Rubber Track tractor, and Vermeer on their bale monitoring system. Deere has also lost cases to Lely, Kuhn, PZ, Kverneland & NH. Have you ever wondered why Deere stuff is the most expensive.
We have a JD4055 & a 2940 that pulls a 10' discbine.
JD settles out of court against Hesston on the balers and had to pay a royality to Hesston, Same with Cat on the design of the Rubber Track tractor, and Vermeer on their bale monitoring system. Deere has also lost cases to Lely, Kuhn, PZ, Kverneland & NH. Have you ever wondered why Deere stuff is the most expensive.
We have a JD4055 & a 2940 that pulls a 10' discbine.
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Can you give some direction on where this information is at? I've been in the business a long time and looked at it all over and over and I've seen alot of things come along that nobody else had before JD and vice versa with the other companies. The idea stealing goes on all the time from every angle. Also where does 5% of the round baler sales come from? You can't even hardly give away a round baler around here that doesn't do net wrap. I know of the balers being sold in my area net wrap is very big. If you drive out in the fields you also see almost everything being net wrapped. I'm not saying it isn't different in another part of the country but I sure would like to see the places you get your #'s from.
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Yep, Richard, it's different in different parts of the country. 5 years ago, I didn't know of but one guy in my part of the country using net wrap; everyone else was using twine, but in the last couple of years, I've noticed the net wrap gaining in popularity simply from seeing some net wrapped bales here and there that I know don't belong to the one guy I knew using it. But as far as numbers and percentages, I haven't the foggiest notion.