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[cowboydoc]

I totally agree with you 5 years ago Bird. It was that way here too. Now though it really is about all you see.

 

[Bird]

It hasn't changed that fast down here, but I suspect it will continue changing. I think as the farmers upgrade their equipment more and more of them are going to the wrap. I know the guy I worked with for two summers has mentioned wishing he'd gone with the net wrap instead of the twine.

 

[HayDR]

Cowboydoc,
You have one baler for every 1.8 sections in Idaho and here in the East we have 12 per section, 640 acres. My family dealership sold more balers than all the round balers reported to EMI as sold in all of Idaho last season. Marketing is what I do Doc. You might be surprised to find out that 60% of all the cattle is owned by farmers that own less than 100 acres. The whole world is not Idaho.

 

[cowboydoc]

Why do you have to get nasty? I just asked where the #'s were so I could read them myself. I am in Iowa right now and I know the difference in land between the two places. I run one unit per acre here and at my ranch back home I run one unit per 15 acres on the range ground. Here I farm almost all of my ground. Back home I've got 5000 acres and only farm a little over 800 of that. The rest is rangeland. I know the difference in land. All I asked was for some #'s and some place that I could go and read about all of this.

Actually if you want to talk about hay equipment you don't see hardly any John Deere stuff in Idaho. Almost everything is Hesston or New Holland. I think they both make a great product as well. I have no doubt that JD pays some royalty to them for some of their equipment. In the midwest though you don't see hardly anything but John Deere.

If marketing and selling is what you do why can't you provide us with some real data? I'm not saying anything about anybody I'm just asking for some data is all. If you can't provide data then it's just your opinion over mine. I'm more than willing to say I may be wrong.

I've also been in this business all of my life and I've seen alot and read alot as well. I also travel all over with the horses and cattle showing, selling and talk to guys from all over the country and visit their places. Alot of us here know what it's like for someone to tell us how things are when we live it everyday and know that in real life it's something else.

I'm not saying you aren't right I'm just asking to read some of the literature that you're getting all of these figures from.

 

[cowboydoc]

Belts are staggered to reduce the loss of fine material and are closely spaced to contain the hay for fast, easy starts.

Belts enclose 91 percent of the bale width to reduce loss of fine material and retain hay quality.
The staggered belt roll design enables any loose hay under or behind the belts to be returned to the pickup and into the baler.
This patented design helps prevent buildup at the front of the baler, which could cause hay loss and belt or splice damage.


The above statement is from JD and also was reported in Country Farming.

You state:
JD needs the net wrap because their diamond traction belts strip most of the leaves off legume crops.

Ok now who is right? If you are where did it state that?

I have a 547 baler and I know mine doesn't strip the leaves off of it. I can take some pics when I get home to show you the quality of a bale that I get. I have both net wrapped bales and twine wrapped bales.

 

[HayDR]

Cowboydoc,
I apologize if I was argumentative and aggressive. My sources are EMI, FEMA, private marketing research, & the USDA. The USDA date is public domain but the other data is confidential to the industry. I can not post or publish this date in part or as a whole because of copyrights. The same way that trade publications like Farm Equipment can not publish the data. Doc I've seen the JD bales many times. Most all the balers today make good bales with a good operator but I was at the Sunbelt AG SHow in Ga, it rained all day but they still were baling hay and the NH baler could not start a bale. The engineers were cusing each other but the problem was the baler has to be adjusted to bale wet crops. It was fun to watch. Any good operator could have made it bale hay but they had too much education to trust their baler.

 

[cowboydoc]

they had too much education to trust their baler.

Boy isn't that the truth. What is EMI and FEMA? Also Deere states that they have are #1 in round baler salers in all of North America. According to your stats is this true?

 

[HayDR]

Deere, Hesston, Vermeer & New Holland have been on top from time to time. Deere has more dealers nation wide so if every dealer would sell one thay are a major player. All these guys sell between 1500- 3000 balers a year. Year in year out Hesston has sold more numbers from 1996-1999 because of the cheapest price on a 4x4 baler. Vermeer with the introduction of the Rebel line 2 years ago has taken the top spot. NH & JD are all very close with NH sales slipping a little lately. Just remember all 4 balers will bale hay. Cattle prices effect all of these MFG sales. If we have $2 corn the baler sales are usually flat but let the corn prices get to $3 /BU and baler sales start to increase. NO rain and nobody sells balers. Many factors are involved in the USA market, but all 4 of these balers are AMERICAN made.

 

[cowboydoc]

I don't understand how you can say that deere isn't #1 when every report I've seen shows that deere is #1 in sales. I called NH, Hesston, and JD and asked who was #1 in round balers sold and they all said JD. The #'s you posted about the # of balers sold I'm sure is not privvy information. I would think you would want to give some sources to make yourself more credible.

I was emailed by a very reliable party that that data can be shared as long as the source is identifyed and it isn't posted directly. The things I'm asking for certainly isn't propietary information anyway. ie who's #1 in round baler sales, the source that says jd diamond belts strip leaves, where the parts are made for jd, etc.

Also over the last year there have been several posts where you call other credible sources like Peter and Jim from First Choice and Carver as not being truthful but we're all supposed to believe all that you say about everything and you claim propietary information when anyone asks you to verify.

I have spent quite alot of time in research and I know how a person can skew "research and reports" to say anything that they want. I'm not saying you are or you aren't and I'm not trying to be a jerk. It's just that you state this is what you do and we're supposed to believe as gospel what you say and then say you can't share the information that backs up what you say.

Most people on here gladly share their sources and give credit for it. The other 80% is our opinions. If alot of this stuff is your opinion of what is going on is your opinon then great, but if it's actual verifiable information I don't see the harm in sharing that.

 

[Bird]

I agree.