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tkh159
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Just a DK40 2005 model
DK-40 Starting issues
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Just a DK40 2005 model
k0ua
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Ok.. then I am not so sure on some of the things I posted which are referencing a DK40se.
Here is the deal. If you really want to be able to work on and fix your machine you need the workshop manual for your particular machine. Manufactures make changes all the time in how things work, so I could have easily given you some bad advice.. I just don't know.
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tkh159
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Hey that's ok you and many others have been very helpful. I do have a manual of some sorts that have diagrams and such but it doesn't tell me how to fix anything. more on that later though.
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tkh159
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the one relay that is rusted out may have been my problem all along??? The one that is rusted is the relay to the far left in the first picture.
luckily my battery was at 12.68 volts thankfully!
So question is which is which in terms of starter relay, glow relay and stop relay?
Two appear the same where as one is VERY different. I only ask because the position of the relays may not have been correct as I bought it from a person and one relay says "KIA" on it soooo I'm not sure they were put back into the factory order as far as left, middle, right.
Being that one relay was rusted out and the spring was rusted and in two pieces to me its save to say the contact would get stuck close which to me would suggest a possible draining of the battery since current was allowed to flow.
ALSO would explain why the prongs of two relays were hot this morning even though it was cold outside and the tractor wasn't started or running before hand
luckily my battery was at 12.68 volts thankfully!
So question is which is which in terms of starter relay, glow relay and stop relay?
Two appear the same where as one is VERY different. I only ask because the position of the relays may not have been correct as I bought it from a person and one relay says "KIA" on it soooo I'm not sure they were put back into the factory order as far as left, middle, right.
Being that one relay was rusted out and the spring was rusted and in two pieces to me its save to say the contact would get stuck close which to me would suggest a possible draining of the battery since current was allowed to flow.
ALSO would explain why the prongs of two relays were hot this morning even though it was cold outside and the tractor wasn't started or running before hand
k0ua
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The glow plug relay should have contacts rated for 70 amps. The others will probably have a lower rating.
The rust is a MAJOR MAJOR problem. How in heck did it get water in it? Replace, and clean up or replace push on terminals. Try to figure out how the rust got in there... Never heard of this. Maybe someone sprayed it cleaning the engine compartment?
The rust is a MAJOR MAJOR problem. How in heck did it get water in it? Replace, and clean up or replace push on terminals. Try to figure out how the rust got in there... Never heard of this. Maybe someone sprayed it cleaning the engine compartment?
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tkh159
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I'm not sure??? Odd though right hahaha.
OK the glow relay is fine then as it is picture in the fourth picture on the right and has 12v 70a stamped on it YES!
The other two must be star and stop relays then. According to your previous picture post k0ua the start and stop have to be 12v 40amp as noted in the picture
I'm going to jump out on a limb here but the stop solenoid always clicked after the tractor was turned off. which is this part I took a photo of which is in the middle of the 1st and 2nd picture but they are calling it a PTO and brake relay. I have a part manual so that helps a bit. but still confused as to which relay is what?
T4520-75031 - Relay - PTO & Brakes for Kioti Tractors | TractorJoe.com
I want to say the one that is rusted is the START relay as the tractor would sometimes not start or give any indication of trying to start even with a fully charged battery?
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ritcheyvs
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Apparently, Kioti used 4-pin relays (no normally-open contacts) in older models. Newer models use the 5-pin version, I guess so they can use the same relay type if they need NO or NC contacts.
It's a no-brainer that you need to replace that rusted-out relay. That relay could be your whole problem. As long as it's in there, you won't know what's what. Do you know the other relays are OK on the inside?
It's a no-brainer that you need to replace that rusted-out relay. That relay could be your whole problem. As long as it's in there, you won't know what's what. Do you know the other relays are OK on the inside?
ritcheyvs
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In case you don't know, several Kioti dealers provide free online parts manuals that are more current and easier to use than the paper manuals.
Ignore the "quick parts search"; it almost never finds what you need. Just step through the menus of "Find Parts by Model." In many cases, you'll need to use your serial number to identify the correct part. Sometimes these parts pictures are more useful than the workshop model.
Ignore the "quick parts search"; it almost never finds what you need. Just step through the menus of "Find Parts by Model." In many cases, you'll need to use your serial number to identify the correct part. Sometimes these parts pictures are more useful than the workshop model.
k0ua
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item number 20 Part number T4180-69951 RELAY(4P) $17.47 Appears to be the start relay (relay F in the diagram).. I looked this up on the michigan Iron and equipment site.
The DK40 is entirely different it seems from the DK40se. So everything I sent you is not applicable.
The DK40 is entirely different it seems from the DK40se. So everything I sent you is not applicable.
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tkh159
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Looking at the same thing and its some what confusing as there are 3 #20 parts? So are there two glow relays and one starter or is one a back up? Are they inter changeable?
From the schematic there are 4 relays pictured 3 #20 and 1 #36 but I also note that it is models dk35 through t995a.
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tkh159
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Absolutely! I may need to get my hands on a workshop manual though. I did download one from tradebit. It has schematics and diagrams but nothing on how to fix electrical issues.
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tkh159
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Other two I pulled are good to go.
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tkh159
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This is true I have thought about it but hope this relay will fix it up.
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tkh159
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What concerns me is that my glow plugs didn't engage. So honesty might buy #20 and #36 parts.
k0ua
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There are several relays that are part illustration number 20. That is because the relays are the same type of relay. So multiple relays for different functions but using the same part number. Make sense?
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