Do you cary a weapon on your tractor?

[Ozarker]

<font color=blue>The argument for their right to get from point a to point b may or may not be easier to defend than their right to carry a gun; is there an amendment that covers transportation?</font color=blue>

Actually, no. There is no amendment covering transportation. We have the right to go from point a to point b because the government was not granted any power to prevent us from going.

We do not, however, have any right to drive. Driving from point a to point b is a privilege.

 

[ejb]

>>I support hunting, and carrying a gun in the woods for protection against snakes, bears, lions, tigers and charging elephants seems like a good idea to me. Carrying a concealed weapon at all times, I guess as a protection against armed criminal action, does not strike me as reasonable for most folks.

How many people last year were the victims of some attack by a wild bear or lion last year? (a few handfuls maybe) How many were victims of armed criminal action? (a few hundred thousand at least)

And yet you find it more reasonable to carry a gun to defend oneself against almost non-existant animal attacks, but UNREASONABLE to carry a gun to defend one-self against armed criminals...hmmmmmmm...now that makes a lot of sense to me/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

 

[TresCrows]

Dam#, just as I thought my backyard was safe for Democracy and now I got rabid groundhogs to worry over. J

 

[Gary_in_Indiana]

In the immortal words of Gilda Radner as Roseanne Rosannadanna on Saturday Night Live, "It's always something." /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

 

[Chuck52]

Could be because I don't equate animals and people.

Chuck

 

[knucklehead]

Re: Do you carry a weapon on your tractor?

Chuck, I want to publicly recognize what you said, because it's the unspoken tenet of liberals that we are all animals. It's part of the devaluation of human worth needed to support other theories and ideas, such as radical environmentalism (i.e., habitat preservation to the detriment of humans), evolution, and abortion. Thank you for stating that clearly. I still think you are a thinker, even though some comments on this thread might be interpreted to the opposite, and this issue finds us once again with different perspectives, but not totally opposed viewpoints. I think /w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif.

 

[Chuck52]

Re: Do you carry a weapon on your tractor?

Knucklehead,

Of course we are all animals, though I sometimes feel I have begun to vegetate.

Liberals are this, conservatives are that. I bet if you could isolate all those of either stripe who met a particular definition in all aspects, you'd have a real small group. Now there's some ammunition for somebody. One of my impressions about some self-defined conservatives is that they don't like the propensity of those they define as liberal to see things in shades of grey. By their definition, I must be an anti-gun nut if I think there might be some reasonable constraint on their god-given right to carry weapons, but I don't think that applies to all whom I might define as conservative. In a similar vein, one could discuss environmentalists. I'd be willing to bet that most everyone who is a member of TBN is concerned enough about the environment to meet my definition of an environmentalist. However, someone has effectively coopted the term such that for many TBN'ers, environmentalist has joined liberal as a pejorative noun.

I read the above and decided to post it even if it probably should go to a separate thread....since I don't want to start yet another of these never-ending discussions.

Chuck

 

[Wingnut]

Re: Do you carry a weapon on your tractor?

Aw darn, Chuck .... here I'd decide to let this thread whither on the vine and you have to go and post that response ....
<font color=blue>I must be an anti-gun nut if I think there might be some reasonable constraint on their god-given right ...</font color=blue>
hey ... no problem ... as long as you get to decide what "reasonable" on gun laws .... and I get to decide what's "reasonable" for those rights I don't think "you" should have.
While I tend to, as you say, see things in more of absolutes than liberals seem to (because I tend to think that you cannot be half pregnant) .... my biggest complaint always is that most liberals I've ever debated with (and I'm not throwing rocks here ... I have a glass house, too) think they're the sole arbitrator of "reasonable", "rights", "privileges" and the like. And it may be my fanciful imagination ... but they seem to feel that way because they think they're more enlightened than the general naked ape.
I guess I really think you (you being the magic word meaning everyone in the known universe) cannot be objective in defining your own characteristics .... so labels like "liberal", "conservative", and "enlightened" cannot come from oneself ... it must come from those that define you based on their perception of your actions. Meaning you cannot define yourself as enlightened .... but other can accept or reject that label based on their view of your actions and comments. I call myself a small "c" conservative because that's how others have described me ... not because that's how I see myself. (Actually, I see myself as enlightenend.) I call you a liberal because that's my impression of you based on your responses - not because you call yourself a liberal. Al Gore could call himself a tree, for example ... but I would continue to think of him as .... well, I don't want this devolving any further ... Of course, the danger of this is that if I were to set out to have fun and deceive the whole population of TBN with wild-a$$ views (instead of being myself) ... there would be a different perception of me (or maybe not)
My goodness, we are a long, long way from guns on tractors, aren't we?

 

[Chuck52]

Re: Do you carry a weapon on your tractor?

Wingnut,

My whole point was that I don't insist you agree with me, and I won't suggest you leave the country if you don't, even if you're not yet a U.S. citizen! That's my nice liberal attitude. /w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif As to who gets to decide what is "reasonable" for various issues, I guess we'll have to go with our current muddy, messy methods, even though the occasional god-given right makes such descisions difficult. At the end of it all, I promise I won't pull my early 50's Remington 22 out of the closet and try to club you over the head with it, even if my side loses.

Chuck

 

[Wingnut]

Re: Do you carry a weapon on your tractor?

hey, I'm not in the same country anyway ... I'm in Michigan - which seems to be part of Mars, I think (or maybe Pluto??)