Does Anybody Have An Apple Orchard Spray Program?

   / Does Anybody Have An Apple Orchard Spray Program? #11  
That's different. You have an orchard! I would go to an established local orchard and talk to them. The closest one to me, really nice owners, 80 something couple. They'll talk to you for hours.
I'm in Virginia, you're in Maine so I'm sure it should be specific to your area.
I was thinking you were like me with 10 trees total.
 
   / Does Anybody Have An Apple Orchard Spray Program? #12  
Contact your local Cooperative Extension office. Cooperative Extension in York County | University of Maine They will put you in touch with the right people.
Or try Highmoor Farm in Monmouth Cooperative Extension at Highmoor Farm | University of Maine, they have decades of experience in apple production, dating back to when there were orchards where you now see subdivisions with quaint names like "McIntosh Lane."
I have pruned a lot of trees and used to work the picking season in the fall; but have never done much with pest control.
 
   / Does Anybody Have An Apple Orchard Spray Program? #13  
When we came down in '82 we started an orchard. Apples, pears, peaches, cots, cherries & plums. Slowly over the years everything died. The only fruit that amounted to a hill of beans - apples. It provide fruit for the deer, coons, chipmunk, skunks, all form of bees & hornets - occasionally we even got some fruit.

The first few years I sprayed in the fall and again in the spring - then I quit. The pocket gophers were killing the trees faster than we could plant them.

We got most of our fruit from an area north of Spokane. Much better quality and a whole lot less fighting the critters.
 
   / Does Anybody Have An Apple Orchard Spray Program?
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#14  
Well, then, just spray the heck out of them and don't be concerned with the amount of poison you're dosing them with.... :rolleyes:

Just kidding. But really, you need to determine the pests you're dealing with so you can spray proper dosing at the correct time.

Moss, I had the inclination to spray a lot of chemicals but there is the real risk of making the insects immune to the sprays. EPA limits the fruit tree spray to twice a year. I want to be responsible with chemicals and it is my assessment that organic apples are not that abundant. I may have screwed up early in the spring because the apples showed signs of plum curculio, a pest prevalent in the east. It apparently infects the fruit buds when they are small. They happen early June every year.
 
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When we came down in '82 we started an orchard. Apples, pears, peaches, cots, cherries & plums. Slowly over the years everything died. The only fruit that amounted to a hill of beans - apples. It provide fruit for the deer, coons, chipmunk, skunks, all form of bees & hornets - occasionally we even got some fruit.

The first few years I sprayed in the fall and again in the spring - then I quit. The pocket gophers were killing the trees faster than we could plant them.

We got most of our fruit from an area north of Spokane. Much better quality and a whole lot less fighting the critters.

I know what you’re saying oosik but I at least have to try. Many orchards really produce good apples and I am floundering. I will go to local orchards and ask around but I’m not sure if they will cooperate—- kinda secretive like lobstering.
 
   / Does Anybody Have An Apple Orchard Spray Program?
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Contact your local Cooperative Extension office. Cooperative Extension in York County | University of Maine They will put you in touch with the right people.
Or try Highmoor Farm in Monmouth Cooperative Extension at Highmoor Farm | University of Maine, they have decades of experience in apple production, dating back to when there were orchards where you now see subdivisions with quaint names like "McIntosh Lane."
I have pruned a lot of trees and used to work the picking season in the fall; but have never done much with pest control.

I do know the University cooperative extension here. They talk pretty much of IPM which again I think is overkill for my small operation. I don’t have the resources for IPM, I think anyway.
 
   / Does Anybody Have An Apple Orchard Spray Program? #17  
^^^^
Talk to the folks at Highmoor, they got their start with commercial orchards many years ago. (They also told me way back when that "organic" apples were pretty hard to do.)
You might also try talking to the people at Ricker Orchards Home.... although not right now when the harvest season is gearing up. Another resource is John Bunker at Fedco trees Fedco Trees-Catalog Search...
While he is all about organic he is also a pretty smart cookie, and is THE man bringing back a lot of old apple varieties.

From what you have described it seems like you have a pretty nice setup... some of those older varieties may not transport or sell very well, yet they often are tastier and store well.
 
   / Does Anybody Have An Apple Orchard Spray Program?
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Jstpssng, thanks for that info, very comprehensive. It really does take a lot of work but we will progress through this orchard on our schedule. I also planted 60 new trees this year— those popular brands such as Honeycrisp, Macintosh, Cortland, and a variety of 20 others. Also planted 300 blueberry plants and planted pumpkins. All this done in a couple of years. I think next year will be a small pick your own operation. No advertising other than a small sign. I don’t want a fuss or traffic jams so it will remain small.
 
   / Does Anybody Have An Apple Orchard Spray Program? #19  
I have 8 acres of apple trees, it is not for my consumption. I will sell them.
Me too.

This little apple orchard, 7+ acres, has always been contracted to a neighbor to operate combined with his larger operation because it is too small to be economically rational. The whole neighborhood was a gigantic single orchard long ago, then around 1905 many little one-horse parcels were subdivided off. One neighbor made a living off his 40 acres of apples until he retired in about 1965 then none of these other smaller parcels has been operated alone since then.

The larger neighbor who operates mine operates some 200 acres of apples or grapes, has so many tractors that he leaves 2 or more at each site he operates during harvest season, has a dorm with 12-16 laborers living there, has 3 generations of experience to coach him, has long term contracts to sell the apples, etc etc. I learn something from him every time we talk.

Even with all that infrastructure, I've suggested he semi-retire and hand daily operation to a manager, and he replies he doesn't make enough to live off of and pay a middle-class salary to someone else.

Primary organic spray here is lime-sulphur. I don't know what else he applies but he posts the required '48 hour re-entry' tag after he sprays.

I think you will find you are over your head if you try to operate commercially on such a small parcel. If you can find a larger operation that will combine your operation into theirs you can have the economy of scale needed to be viable.

We've averaged 70+ tons per year in my era. The historic record shows my grandfather got up to 140 tons long ago. That was before many semi-dwarf trees were used for replacement to reduce labor (and injury!) cost for pruning, thinning, harvest. You need to make a plan to pick that quantity all at once, and to market it while fresh.

The you-pick operations I'm familiar with don't allow customers on ladders so you will still need some paid harvest labor.
 
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   / Does Anybody Have An Apple Orchard Spray Program? #20  
I do know the University cooperative extension here. They talk pretty much of IPM which again I think is overkill for my small operation. I don’t have the resources for IPM, I think anyway.
I disagree.
An IPM education is just that, an education. I am a small Christmas tree grower and have found that IPM program can help with a lot of the problems you are experiencing. Can't identify which bug is causing your problem? IPM should know what causes your apples to develop that particular issue, and more importantly how and when to deal with it. An IPM educator should know that there is a lot of apple scab, for example, around this year, and then know what is necessary to treat it. Most IPM educators are pretty good at holding down the amount of poison sprayed wiily-nilly on a preventative basis and rather restrict their recommendations to what is needed. I also see that the educators in my program are good at identifying beneficial insects and how to promote them, or at least not kill them all with a poorly timed or unnecessary spray.
You don't need to go broke on an IPM program. The big boys are using things like air blast cannons and 70 horse cabbed tractors for applications, you can probably get by with a small tractor or atv mounted or backpack sprayer to accomplish the same application.
You ought to at least look into your IPM people before dismissing the idea out of hand.
 

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