Does this look like correct trans/hydraulic fluid?

   / Does this look like correct trans/hydraulic fluid? #21  
   / Does this look like correct trans/hydraulic fluid?
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So I'll bet the oil that came in the tractor was generic 303 oil (yellow bucket) with water added from time. I read in reviews at Tractor Supply Corp on bargain bin $20 for 5 Gallons 303 that it turns into a sludgy glue when mixed with water. That's exactly what coated my fluid screen (and probably spin on filter). It was almost stringy.

I will probably get the next step up and read reviews for future hydraulic oils. I bought walmart combination fluid. Seems to have ok reviews.
 
   / Does this look like correct trans/hydraulic fluid? #23  
Throw a cheap , like $2 tarp over the dash, and seat (flip it forward) and the three point area. You won't get water into your hydraulics no matter how long it stays outside. Better yet park it in a shed or under a lean too shed?
 
   / Does this look like correct trans/hydraulic fluid? #24  
For the Powershift models in that chart - Wix shows Yanmar 19446448310 crosses to their #51515. Which also matches NAPA 1515.

And searching again on that Yanmar #, '19446448310', a UK-Badwin cross reference chart shows their B-2 as equivalent to Wix 51515 and NAPA 1515.

My conclusion: I run NAPA 1515 on the YM186D.

Morning California,

I go at it a little differently, but come to a similar conclusion about that NAPA 1515 filter on the YM186D.

I don't know who put together the cross reference charts or what criteria they used, that's why like most mechanics I try to put my knowledge to use on oils and filters.

For filters I look at flow rate right off the bat. That controls everything. Then what the filter material is made of, target micron size, surface area, and how supported.
Since these are suction side filters, is the bypass valve rating appropriate? How about the burst pressure?
And anything else that the filter company might think would influence me....For example, special materials...or do they do any SAE or ISO testing? Basic particle count (beta test)?

I try to avoid advertising and hype in favor of specifications and test results. My thinking is that a manufacturer's advertising dept can say anything they want to about performance because that is opinion. But mfg. specs are traceable enough to make outright lies harder to get by with. Not that this is a perfect world.... remember Volkswagon ??

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/FIL1515 - ain't the internet wonderful..

California, getting back to your filter choice.... The NAPA 1515 specs say when it is new it flows 7 to 9 gallons/minute - and that is not great but I'd say it is adequate for your YM186D with a hydraulic pump cranking out 4.8 to 5 gallon/minute pumping a standard weight trans/hydraulic fluid (& no water! :) ) . There's not much leeway, but if the oil is clean that filter works fine & can even handle some dirt.

However, even when new, that same NAPA filter would be a little shy on flow capacity for the YM336D with it's larger hydraulic pump and higher flow rate. You could use it, but even a little bit of crud is going to reduce its flow enough to put it into bypass mode - which means that basically the filter is no longer in the system and does no filtering at all. So change it quite often.

For my own choice in filters and ols I figure that the company with the most to gain from specifying a really good filter & oil is whoever makes the rest of the system - whether that is transmission, engines, or hydraulics.
Of course the companies who make the best are likely to also have engineers who go overboard protecting their designs....and end up with an OEM filter so fancy that it costs so much that people don't use it. Same for oils. It's weird to see them go to so much effort to get things perfect that they end up promoting the exact opposite.

I find that kind of up-side-down engineering thinking endlessly fascinating. And I'm not alone; it's spawned an entire aftermarket industry.
rScotty
 
   / Does this look like correct trans/hydraulic fluid? #25  
For my own choice in filters and oils I figure that the company with the most to gain from specifying a really good filter & oil is whoever makes the rest of the system - whether that is transmission, engines, or hydraulics.
Well said, all of that post. For a larger Yanmar with greater flow volume I too would likely step up to OEM or at least OEM-specs filters rather than 'claimed interchangeable'.

Related - I recently posted about replacing the YM240's right side axle assembly to remedy a ripped-out 3-point lower hinge pin. I see I wrote '2013' next to the transmission fill /dipstick. That UTF came out near flawlessly clean when I drained it through a fine-mesh coffee filter and no water at all, so I re-used it. Apparently parking under cover 100% of the time has prevented water in the transmission.
 
   / Does this look like correct trans/hydraulic fluid? #26  
Well said, all of that post. For a larger Yanmar with greater flow volume I too would likely step up to OEM or at least OEM-specs filters rather than 'claimed interchangeable'.

Related - I recently posted about replacing the YM240's right side axle assembly to remedy a ripped-out 3-point lower hinge pin. I see I wrote '2013' next to the transmission fill /dipstick. That UTF came out near flawlessly clean when I drained it through a fine-mesh coffee filter and no water at all, so I re-used it. Apparently parking under cover 100% of the time has prevented water in the transmission.

Parking under a cover is great for everything. Rain and sun destroy stuff. That's why they call them "barn finds" there always in so much better shape than a "field find" which no one is as excited about.
 
   / Does this look like correct trans/hydraulic fluid? #27  
Here's what came out of the new to me 336D:View attachment 607674

WOW and yuck. LOL

Like Winston said, a bit of condensate water has mixed into the fluid.

For our tractors, J20C is the correct fluid to use. WHY? Because Yanmar has made a majority of the John Deere CUT tractors. In some instances, these tractors are only different by red or JD green. John Deere specifies J20C for the entire range of the CUTs from the Yanmar 1978 to present.

With that all said, you can buy OE John Deere J20C for $$$$ or buy from the normal oil companies the J20C that MEETs or EXCEED the standards. I bought J20C branded product sold by one of the major oil companies. Not the JD green jug for $$$.

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TRACTOR HYDRAULIC FLUID SUMMER GRADE (J2C)

In my region, this is the J20C as marked on the back of the jug.
Blain's Farm & Fleet Trans-Hydraulic Fluid for John Deere Tractors
 
   / Does this look like correct trans/hydraulic fluid? #28  
I've always been confused by various oil standards. Who is the governing body for trans-hydraulic oils? Is there even such a thing like there is for motor oils?

Does anyone know if Deere's J20C is an internal John Deere mixture kind of specification like the old JD303? Or is it something else?
From everything I can find, there never was any "standard" for JD303. That's why all the knockoffs. Anyone could say their re-cycled motor oil met JD303 standards because the standard never existed.

I went down to the JD dealer and talked with their service manager about oil.... only to find that he knew less about oil and wear than I did. The guy sounded like an advertising label which kinda put me off, but should it have? Maybe that's OK?

He wanted me to buy JD Hydrau which is what they stock and sell for all their industrial machines including our JD310 backhoe. On the oil container it says on the front this is a "premium hydraulic oil for construction equipment". But also right there on the label it says it is not for use with gear transmissions, wet brakes or wet clutches - all of which the JD310 has. BTW, the powershift Yanmars have quite a number of wet clutches, so that wouldn't work for them either.

Maybe JD20C is the right oil, but if it is like the old JD303 mix then I'm guessing that only applies if it was specifically compounded for JD under their label. Otherwise how do you know what you are getting?
rScotty
 

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