Doesn't make sense to me....

[MossRoad]

Also, I’ve been reading a few discussions about blending at the pump. Some fuel delivery drivers insist there are separate ground tanks for all grades. Some gas station owners insist there’re blend valves in the pumps. And a couple pump service techs say that blend pumps are the norm. And some folks say it varies by state. So there you go.

 

[lman]

When I was at the Goshen airport one Saturday morning a few years ago working in my hangar, a Global Express owned by the ex-CEO and owner of a large tech company out of Boston, came in and two people got off. It was refueled, 1100 gallons if I remember correctly, and left. About eight hours later, it was back and one person got off. Then the next day, it was repeated in reverse, one person got on and left, early in the evening it came back and two people boarded and it left again.
I talked to the FBO manager a few days later, and said the two people were wife and daughter of the plane owner, and they all came to spend a little time at their place on Lake Wawasee. The plane owner had to work 'till noon on Saturday, and go back early on Sunday, so he sent the wife and daughter out earlier, and they stayed later on Sunday.
He said they bought over 4000 gallons of JetA that week end.

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They probably support green environmental policies for everybody else.

 

[MossRoad]

When I was at the Goshen airport one Saturday morning a few years ago working in my hangar, a Global Express owned by the ex-CEO and owner of a large tech company out of Boston, came in and two people got off. It was refueled, 1100 gallons if I remember correctly, and left. About eight hours later, it was back and one person got off. Then the next day, it was repeated in reverse, one person got on and left, early in the evening it came back and two people boarded and it left again.
I talked to the FBO manager a few days later, and said the two people were wife and daughter of the plane owner, and they all came to spend a little time at their place on Lake Wawasee. The plane owner had to work 'till noon on Saturday, and go back early on Sunday, so he sent the wife and daughter out earlier, and they stayed later on Sunday.
He said they bought over 4000 gallons of JetA that week end.

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Also, that’s one sweet ride!

Bombardier Global Express - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

However, I personally could not justify blowing 4000 gallons of fuel for a weekend.

Working at the airport, seeing people fly their kids in to Notre Dame in the fall ( 2 legs), home and back at Thanksgiving (2 legs), Christmas (2 legs), somewhere else spring break (that’s 6 legs), and home again in the spring (2 legs)…

That’s 14 legs of flight to move 1 kid around. Granted, most times the kid takes some friends, but still, 14 legs at even 1000 gallons per leg is 14,000 gallons of just fuel to move the kid around per year. 4 years of college, and that 56,000 gallons of fuel on 1 kid. And that’s just fuel costs. Add up the total cost of operation per hour of even a modest business jet, and it’s mind numbing.

And that’s just the dollar cost, not considering any environmental impacts.

And, there are dozens of kids like that at each large university. Amazing.

 

[BravoXray]

A prime example of wasted JetA is when ND plays a home game against USC and KSBN is overrun with everything from Bonanzas to B737s. One year there were three bizjets parked at Goshen because SB was out of parking space. There were a couple at Elkhart too.

 

[tacticalturnip]

Isn’t that the whole idea of a free market economy?

We don't have a free market, lol.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

I fueled aircraft for a time, also worked at a gas station...waaaay back when.

One time I fueled a DC4 and when it left, if flew a couple miles, lost an engine, had a fire and crashed!

It didn't take long for someone to come along and pull a sample out of my fuel truck to see if I gave the plane some water.

SR

 

[MossRoad]

A prime example of wasted JetA is when ND plays a home game against USC and KSBN is overrun with everything from Bonanzas to B737s. One year there were three bizjets parked at Goshen because SB was out of parking space. There were a couple at Elkhart too.

Yep. It’s amazing. Niles, Michigan City and Plymouth, too.

 

[MossRoad]

I fueled aircraft for a time, also worked at a gas station...waaaay back when.

One time I fueled a DC4 and when it left, if flew a couple miles, lost an engine, had a fire and crashed!

It didn't take long for someone to come along and pull a sample out of my fuel truck to see if I gave the plane some water.

SR

Or jet fuel. I can recall several instances of inexperienced line techs putting jet fuel in a large plane that was piston powered.

One plane that seemed to happen to was Rockwell Aero Commanders. They were piston powered, but looked very similar to Turbo Commanders.

Almost all Aero Commander pilots would stand there and watch you fill their plane with Avgas just to make sure you weren’t going to kill them after takeoff.

When you think about it, it’s kinda frightening.

 

[MossRoad]

Aero Commander 500 family - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[MossRoad]

Beech 18’s with turbo conversions, too, now that I think about it.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

At THAT airport, jetA used a completely different way to fuel aircraft, there's NO way the wrong fuel could have went into that plane. And we NEVER put jetA in the trucks to even haul it.

SR

 

[Torvy]

Aero Commander 500 family - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

W.E.B. Griffin wrote quite a bit about them in one of his series (maybe 2).

 

[scaredychicken]

Two weeks ago ... out here most of the gas stations were closed early, lights off $0.00 at the pumps, OUT OF GAS. I think there were 2 stations that were open for their regular hours ... out of about 15 local stations.

I was told that it was a supply / delivery issue.

 

[MossRoad]

At THAT airport, jetA used a completely different way to fuel aircraft, there's NO way the wrong fuel could have went into that plane. And we NEVER put jetA in the trucks to even haul it.

SR

At South Bend, IN everything is trucks.

 

[BravoXray]

At South Bend, IN everything is trucks.

And I'll bet is says "JetA" in big letters all over the tank.

 

[MossRoad]

And I'll bet is says "JetA" in big letters all over the tank.

Most likely.

When I was there in the late 70—80’s we had two jet fuel trucks, both relatively new leased from a fuel company, the Little 100 (an early 60s heavy Ford pickup chassis with a 300 gallon tank) for 100LL, and the Big 100 (Some early 60s IH truck with three 600 gallon tanks) all with 100LL.

Each fall we’d get 1 or 2 more jet fuel trucks brought in for big Notre Dame home games. And we’d get a few more semi loads of fuel. I recall that we had about 30,000 gallons of jet fuel in our underground tanks, plus a tad over 2000 in each of the jet fuel trucks, plus we’d get a tanker or two of 7800 gallons each in Saturday night after the game to continue fueling into the evening and for the morning rush after church on Sunday.

There’s something about being on an airport ramp on a cold fall day, the sky so clear and the sun so bright it hurts your eyes. The fuel truck is pumping a thousand gallons of fuel into a Gulfstream. The deadman is in one hand and a chicken drumstick is in the other. It’s from the catering they didn’t touch and there’s a whole styrofoam cooler filled with even more, and some shrimp and cocktail sauce for later. You walk over to get into the hot blast of the APU exhaust to keep warm and think to yourself “Man, I love the smell of jet fuel in the afternoon!“



I loved that job.

 

[3Ts]

7 jets for 8 people. Even back then, it was something like $20-$25K just for the fuel (I can’t remember the exact amount). I don’t care if it’s tax deductible or whatever, just that they used 7 jets to fly in 8 people from around the country. That’s nuts.

You missed the second part of my post. The part about having to keep current with flying hours, etc. The pilot & crew can fly around in circles over the airport every month or they can actually go some place to meet their currency requirement. It makes no difference on fuel used or maintenance required, only appearance of "boondogle" trips.

 

[MossRoad]

Yes, I know pilots need hours. I was around aircraft for the first 26 years of my life. With the company that these planes belonged to, I doubt the pilots needed an excuse to build hours. The point of my post was that all of those planes only carried 1 passenger, with the exception of the Mr. and Mrs. in the 727. The tremendous expenditure of money and resources for something that could be handled with a video call today.

 

[Diggin It]

EPA waives fuel rule in 4 states after Indiana refinery fire​

yesterday


CHICAGO (AP) — The Environmental Protection Agency temporarily lifted a federal rule for fuel sales in four states in response to a fire last week at an Indiana oil refinery that could affect prices and supply.

Low fuel inventories cause special concern in US Northeast​

By DAVID SHARP yesterday
https://apnews.com/article/heating-...in-northeast-192f998c29bcb05fd0fcd4f680f1faf6
PORTLAND, Maine (AP) — Diesel and heating oil supplies in the Northeast are more than 50% below the recent average, raising concerns that an extreme weather event could cause supply disruptions, federal officials said.

 

[MossRoad]

EPA waives fuel rule in 4 states after Indiana refinery fire​

yesterday


CHICAGO (AP) — The Environmental Protection Agency temporarily lifted a federal rule for fuel sales in four states in response to a fire last week at an Indiana oil refinery that could affect prices and supply.

Low fuel inventories cause special concern in US Northeast​

By DAVID SHARP yesterday
Low fuel inventories cause special concern in US Northeast
PORTLAND, Maine (AP) — Diesel and heating oil supplies in the Northeast are more than 50% below the recent average, raising concerns that an extreme weather event could cause supply disruptions, federal officials said.

Well, that sucks for us. It's a huge refinery, a little less than an hour to our west. Drive by/next to it a few times per year. Mostly when going to and from the Pierogi Festival in Whiting, or places near there.