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gsxr1100 · Jun 8, 2005

Again, I agree about not rolling on the floor but training collars mean zero at times. Our old police k9 dog would take a prone collar and it do nothing. Also a lot depends on the dog and when the dog arrived in your home. Our old male rottie would not even stop with training colors. Our pits are way different then our rotties. Not as stubborn.

My wife’s last female had the following titles: AKC CD, ASCA CD, CGC, TT, TDI, PP, HIC, CS, CI. This dog did not live with me but was great in public, hospitals, shows, etc but what the dog got home, the home was HER home and by god, take the hat off!

If someone is trying to show alpha but rolling on floor, it is bad news. That is just welcoming a bite someday. Try that when fostering a dog….Not gonna happen.

I would agree about different breeding. The German way for rotties is small and have tails (per their standards). Now the USA way is bigger is better and not tails…I will take a German over American, hands down. I am not saying American ones are bad, it is the breeders stupidity and greed.

Freds · Jun 8, 2005

I didn't want to specifically get into Mike, but there are ways to use training collars..... and there are ways to use training collars as I'm sure you've heard.
I'm not talking about a correction "pop" that the Petsmart people teach. I'm talking about breaking a hard case that would otherwise have to be put down by safely (for the handler) showing him that you are boss.

I watched Cesar Milan put a pit on his back last night using the nylon slip lead he always uses. His face might have been "calm assertive", but his hands were talking a different phrase. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

gsxr1100 · Jun 8, 2005

Again, I agree but I have seen dogs do zero all kinds of things with collars on too. Our old police k9 would not even stop unless my old man told him too.

Again, if someone thinks showing a dog who's alpha by pinning on the ground or using a collar to the ground (at certain times and with certain dogs with behavior issues), well good luck. Try that on a dog that IS alpha and he will win over you anyday.

You can watch any person put any dog on there back but when they GET bitten I will laugh since I would not do this. I have seen all kinds of trainers do this-and-that, and they will get bitten sometime since they think they know it all. Then it is the dogs fault too right, because the handler was a moron....

I would love to see any handler put a dog down when it goes kennel crazy; from sending 90% of there life in a kennel. Not gonna happen no matter how good they think they are.

When we brought out dogs to trainer, the trainer was VERY biased to our dogs. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

thegreatrandini · Jun 8, 2005

Well now your better breeders will only breed ofa'd hips to ofa'd hips.. This means they are free from hip displaysia. Here in America you have to wait until a dog is 24 months but the German "a" stamp for hips only requires 12 months of age. No matter what you do you will somtimes get a dog with sub standard hips. You increase your chance for a good set of hips if both his parents have good hips.. It does not matter if it is a German bred dog or an American bred dog.
If you got a good dog and your happy with it I doubt you paid too much for it.... Bad breeding is bad breeding but linebreeding is practiced in Germany and has been for over a hundred years with GSD's. If you have two related dogs with qualities that you want the odds of passing on the qualities are better than with less related GSD's. (they are all realated) Out crossing is another good breeders tool and good American breeders often look to Germany for a quality outcross but they are hard to find......Wolves, coyotes etc.. also practice linebreeding through natural selection.... You always find any problems your bloodline has when you linebreed.. If the lines are sound then ok. Every time you out cross you bring in more genes and possibly more problems. The sounder the lines the closer you can breed. This is what good breeders like the German founder of the German Shepherd Dog knew.... Bad breeding is bad breeding. I personally think that only about 10 percent of the pure bred dogs that get bred are worthy of being bred. Sometimes you don't know that until you have bred them....Too many people are breeding dogs. Too many dogs are being bred.... too bad.....But as was mentioned here this is America and every idiot who has a dog may have puppies if they want to......Kitties too....I have a lovely ***** now who is close to completing her Championship. She has good hips and elbows and a reasonable temperment. I doubt if I will breed her.. I just think that there are enough dogs now...Even though her pups would be in high demand and I could recoup the expense of showing her... Even though I have a great Kennel building and only 3 dogs. I just don't think I will breed her..

ducati996 · Jun 8, 2005

( ( The solution to all of these is always the same. The minute your dogs show more than playful aggression, YOU step in, forcefully and firmly put then in their place. Grap them by the scruff of the neck, get right in their face, stare them down and give them a harsh NO.

Dogs need to know YOU are the alpha, and that unacceptable behaviour on their part has consequences. With that concept firmly implanted in their loving but small little heads, they place less importance on their standing within the rest of their "pack" - YOU are the pack leader, and once they understand that, the aggression problems usually dissipate.
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These words are golden. It is the law of the canine world. In my house I AM the alpha and my wife is number 2 and no one creates a disturbance.

My preferred discipline technique is to flip them over pin them to the ground with your hand firmly around their throat and then yell at them very loudly while showing them lots of teeth. This is how they do it between themselves and is what they understand. If you do it right then no one gets hurt and the pecking order gets maintained. It's not always easy with big dogs but if you can't dominate a big dog then you probably shouldn't own one (IMO).

Treat your dogs like dogs but love them like they are your kids. )

Actually you are to be on top of them by using submission and in between their front and rear legs on their chest. You are using your weight against them. Yelling only confuses them...use commands they know and already understand..
Eventually they resist struggling with you and break down and submit.... - it works and its non-violent which is important...

Cactus · Jun 8, 2005

Whats your take on DDR GSD's ??

Freds · Jun 8, 2005

( Again, if someone thinks showing a dog who's alpha by pinning on the ground or using a collar to the ground )

I was not talking about pinning the dog to the ground...

getut · Jun 9, 2005

Most people fail to realize the main point though. Close tight breeding is the SOURCE of the SPONTANEOUS mutation that caused those problems in the first place. Tight control of lines by good quality breeders can and do only weed out problems that already exist, but do nothing, in fact, even create the new spontaneous problems.

thegreatrandini · Jun 9, 2005

I do not have a SPONTANEOUS reply! Mutation? It is not like you will turn ur dog into a dandilion or grasshopper? Selective breeding can be good or bad. For some reason people want some small dogs to have a big head. The little heads are so big that there is a soft opening to the brain.. This was done with selective breeding! I don't know why these were selected but it could be called a mutation. Not necessarily from inbreeding but linebreeding probabally was used as a tool to get there... I like breeds that resemble wolves a little myself.. I figure nature had a good design........