DOT Audit

/ DOT Audit #21  
I thought PA was bad, it nothing compared to what I reading here...The only people who get picked on around here are "pro" drivers and guys with 5 ton or better dumps..

Never heard of anyone getting nailed for anything while towing with a pickup of any size unless the load/trailer isn't properly secured or absurdly overloaded.

As DP said, if these rules were applied, all of the grey hairs in the 40+ foot motorhomes or the 40 ft 5th wheels being pulled by a quad cab dulley would be liquidating their SSN checks to pay the fines. Never heard of that.

I am actually surprised this is going on in Texas...Aren't you guys the leave me the H*ll alone state?
 
/ DOT Audit #22  
I thought PA was bad, it nothing compared to what I reading here...The only people who get picked on around here are "pro" drivers and guys with 5 ton or better dumps..

Never heard of anyone getting nailed for anything while towing with a pickup of any size unless the load/trailer isn't properly secured or absurdly overloaded.

As DP said, if these rules were applied, all of the grey hairs in the 40+ foot motorhomes or the 40 ft 5th wheels being pulled by a quad cab dulley would be liquidating their SSN checks to pay the fines. Never heard of that.

I am actually surprised this is going on in Texas...Aren't you guys the leave me the H*ll alone state?

i got told it didn't aply to motorhomes and travel trailers. i just think they are wonting to be a horses ***** down here right now
 
/ DOT Audit #23  
The DMV guys here in NC will pull you if you are in a truck pulling a large trailer...
They are wanting to see that you've got enough tag weight for that trailer and truck combo...
I can pull my F350 with regular drivers licenses as long as the trailer has a GVWR of less 7 tons or less...
The GVWR of my truck is 11,500#...
Got to stay under 26K total...
I think that the tag for 26K is around $500 per year...
Pretty expensive...
They leave RV's alone...

I just completed the P endorsement for CDL's to qualify for driving our church bus...
It has a 25 seat capacity on an E450 chasis...
I may go ahead and get air brakes and trailer endorsement also...
Just jumping through the hoops...
 
/ DOT Audit #24  
A CDL is required to operate the following:
Any vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more.
A vehicle pulling a trailer if the trailer has a (GVWR) of 10,001 pounds or more.
A vehicle designed to carry 16 or more passengers including the driver.
A vehicle hauling hazardous materials in amounts required to be placarded.

NOTE: A vehicle or combination of vehicles which is in excess of 10,000 pounds but less than 26,001 pounds may require a Class D Chauffeur痴 license.


I just looked this up for La. According to this I need a CDL to haul my horse trailer. This would include all 3/4 and 1 ton trucks built today. I guess they are not enforcing that too hard, YET.
Does anyone know if you have to go by each state's laws if you are traveling in that state, or is it just the state of registration that matters?

That is referring to commercial vehicle. As long as you are driving for your self you do not have to have a CDL even if you pull your horse trailer with a Peterbuilt. BUT if you take anything in return for work with a vehicle no mater if it is a VW or a Mack truck its commercial and all CSA laws are enforced. And don't fall for the "not for hire" on the door thing. That is like blood in the water. If an officer see's that I promise you you will be pulled over and class 3 inspected because they feel you are trying to beat the system I run 7 trucks and trust me the new CSA sucks and its gonna get worse.
 
/ DOT Audit #25  
I thought PA was bad, it nothing compared to what I reading here...The only people who get picked on around here are "pro" drivers and guys with 5 ton or better dumps..

Never heard of anyone getting nailed for anything while towing with a pickup of any size unless the load/trailer isn't properly secured or absurdly overloaded.

As DP said, if these rules were applied, all of the grey hairs in the 40+ foot motorhomes or the 40 ft 5th wheels being pulled by a quad cab dulley would be liquidating their SSN checks to pay the fines. Never heard of that.

I am actually surprised this is going on in Texas...Aren't you guys the leave me the H*ll alone state?

PA is bad i got a ticket at night for driving a truck that was in the officers words "dirty" Try getting trucking companies to go to PA and 80% will say no thatnks.
 
/ DOT Audit #26  
As was mentioned, if you are within a 100 mile radius of your business address, you do not have to keep a log book.

You don't have to log miles. But you do have to log hours of service. Be careful with that one it will bite you in your arse. i had a driver put out of service for 10hrs 25 miles from the plant because he was 15 minutes over his 11hrs.
 
/ DOT Audit #27  
PA is bad i got a ticket at night for driving a truck that was in the officers words "dirty" Try getting trucking companies to go to PA and 80% will say no thatnks.

I know that's true for you guys, i've heard it plenty of times..I'm assuming you're a semi owner. They just pull them over coming out of industrial parks, interstates whatever. I've seen mint looking brand new semi's getting caught in these BS traps...They usually find something that is just plain stupid. I've heard some really pathetic stories....Gotta feed the beast. The fines are userous too.
 
/ DOT Audit #28  
Something that bothers me is when a customer hires me for work around Louisville, I basically have a flat rate they are used to paying. If the job is far away, I charge them more because it takes longer to get there and costs more fuel and puts miles on my vehicles.

A couple of them have asked me to tell them how much per mile outside of our area, but I have always been afraid to set a rate like that and invoice it as a line item, because I do not want to be seen as driving for hire, even though I am only transporting my own equipment and tools to the job, doing the work, and coming back home.
 
/ DOT Audit #29  
Something that bothers me is when a customer hires me for work around Louisville, I basically have a flat rate they are used to paying. If the job is far away, I charge them more because it takes longer to get there and costs more fuel and puts miles on my vehicles.

A couple of them have asked me to tell them how much per mile outside of our area, but I have always been afraid to set a rate like that and invoice it as a line item, because I do not want to be seen as driving for hire, even though I am only transporting my own equipment and tools to the job, doing the work, and coming back home.

You are a wise man.
 
/ DOT Audit #30  
Something that bothers me is when a customer hires me for work around Louisville, I basically have a flat rate they are used to paying. If the job is far away, I charge them more because it takes longer to get there and costs more fuel and puts miles on my vehicles.

A couple of them have asked me to tell them how much per mile outside of our area, but I have always been afraid to set a rate like that and invoice it as a line item, because I do not want to be seen as driving for hire, even though I am only transporting my own equipment and tools to the job, doing the work, and coming back home.
I'm pretty sure if you are making $$ in any manner by hauling something some states are going to claim it's commercial.
 
/ DOT Audit #31  
In Jasper Texas a man i know was pulling a 20ft dual gooseneck trailer with single wheels with his one ton going to nome texas to a auction hauling his personal tractor to sell it his neighbor
This reads like someone is selling something which is commercial.

My BIL got tagged for about the same thing, hauling "personal items" to an auction.
 
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#32  
In PA you can register your trailer at any weight you like as long as it for is equal or lower than the manufacturer rated gvw. For example, my trailer is rated for 10400. I registered it for 10000, so it would not be commercial.

MD is being pretty irrational, if they only let you like drop it to 7500 with no options inbetween. You should write your state representative.

Have you ever tried weighing your trailer, etc. I wonder if you would be better off taking a risk of getting caught over 7500 vs getting busted for all the other crap that comes with a commercial trailer. I doubt you are much over the 7500 anyway.

Fines start at 1,000 bucks, can't afford any mistakes.
 
/ DOT Audit #33  
This reads like someone is selling something which is commercial.

My BIL got tagged for about the same thing, hauling "personal items" to an auction.

The DMV here will ask if you are hauling for hire or not...
Most of the time they make their money with under tagged vehicles...
I'm real careful of my dually...
I only keep 10K weight on the tag but hardly ever pull anything except my camper...
They let RV's slide...
 
/ DOT Audit #34  
Pm me. Had my audit with the top inspector. He gave me alot of pointers.
 
/ DOT Audit #36  
So much bad info here. Seems to come up weekly. CDL is just that, a Commercial Drivers License. Commercial = for hire.:confused2:

Does not matter if its a 1 ton dually or a Ranger.

Chris

Chris is right. In SC you can get a class F or E license which are the NON-COMMERCIAL equivalents of class A or B CDL.

Class E: Same as a class B, just not commercial and no medical card needed.
Class F: Same as a class A, just not commercial and no medical card needed.

The main point is that it is NON-COMMERCIAL and you will be guilty until proven innocent if caught and your load looks suspiciously for hire.
 
/ DOT Audit #37  
So much bad info here. Seems to come up weekly. CDL is just that, a Commercial Drivers License. Commercial = for hire.:confused2:

Does not matter if its a 1 ton dually or a Ranger.

Chris

I agree 100% I have owned my own trucking Co. and have had audits and road side inspections, with minor faults found that were corrected on the spot. I have read the regulations from front to back and left to right so i would operate within the law and i see a bunch of bad info also. The FMCSA sets the federal guidelines and each state can add to that if they want to but not take away. There is a lot of info at each DMV site, all you have to do is a little research.
 
/ DOT Audit #38  
Got a call from MD DOT for an audit. They didn't want to see my trailer just the truck. Went to the State Police barracks for the audit. Come to find out they didn't look at the truck just asked if I had the numbers posted which I did.

It was basically a paperwork audit. I didn't have anything except my DOT physical card for my Class A CDL.

I was told that I need to keep a daily hour log and not go over 70 hrs. a week without 32 hrs. off. Even tho I have a part-time lawn care business I have to log my hours from the time I leave home until I get back home. Yearly inspection on my Chevy 2500HD truck and 10,000 lb trailer, all maintenance records for the truck to be kept in the truck, and log on to the USDOT website at least once a year.

I know its because of my equipment that put me in the DOT category and I'm all for safety but it seems a bit overkill.

Anybody else have to deal with this on my scale of business?

Logs run like this:

1: You only need a log if travel over 100 AIR MILES (actually 115 statute miles) or work OVER a 12 hour day.

2: You can run two different "work weeks". 60 hours in 7 days or 70 hours in 8 days. IF you get a break in the middle of the week that is 32 or more hours, that resets the "work week". If you are in a position where you feel you will be keeping a log, you cannot swap what your "work week" is to make things happen. Choose one and stick with it.

3: Hours of Service (HOS) is this. You are allowed to work a 14 hour day, BUT, can only be behind the wheel for 11 of those hours. Once you hit 14, you are no longer allowed to drive, but you MAY continue to work as long as you want. BUT, here's the catch. You MUST have 10 hours continuous off before you can drive again. Lunches or breaks do not add to available time. Look at it this way, You have a 14 hour countdown timer when you start in the morning. NOTHING may stop or reset this timer except for 10 hours continuous off duty.

4: Just to throw a wrench into this supposedly "safety" oriented revenue generating set of rules, if you start and stop from the same point every day, once in between every 32 hour reset you can work up to 16 hours. BUT, you can still only be behind the wheel 11 hours total and still need 10 hours off before being able to drive.

Under 12 hours, under 100 miles, you do not need one. If, say once a month, you feel you are definitely within the required parameters, run a log for that day. IF you get stopped and they ask where the previous 7 days of log are, simply tell them "I never fit the requirements, but today I do" Let them do the footwork. Again, surrender nothing unless asked.

To me, being a contractor working locally, I'd not run a log. You have no timeclock, so it'd be pretty difficult for them to prove you had worked over 12 hours. They'd have to do one heck of a lot of investigation to catch you in a lie.

Now, here's a few tips. NEVER give more info in the log than what is required. NEVER do something such as "Wallahalla MI, fuel" in the remarks. This flag will have them asking for a fuel receipt. Write ONLY what the regulations ask for and nothing more. Always round the 15 minute "on duty, not driving" periods down if you can. They can even write tickets if your "Total miles traveled" and "On duty driving" math claim you are speeding.

Everything you need to know about logs can be found at the below links. A word of advice, do your own homework with answering your log questions, many do not know what the rules are, as indicated by a few of the remarks I have read in this thread. Worst case scenario, Lack of a log is far cheaper than a tampered log if you get pushed into a corner.

In the first one, notice there is a different set of rules for "non-cdl" and "intrAstate" drivers. This may apply to you, but I am not sure. I only deal with interstate.

HOS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

Hours-of-Service Regulations - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

Hours of service of drivers - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration


No charge for helping you get to sleep tonight.:D
 
/ DOT Audit #39  
Logs run like this:

1: You only need a log if travel over 100 AIR MILES (actually 115 statute miles) or work OVER a 12 hour day.

2: You can run two different "work weeks". 60 hours in 7 days or 70 hours in 8 days. IF you get a break in the middle of the week that is 32 or more hours, that resets the "work week". If you are in a position where you feel you will be keeping a log, you cannot swap what your "work week" is to make things happen. Choose one and stick with it.

3: Hours of Service (HOS) is this. You are allowed to work a 14 hour day, BUT, can only be behind the wheel for 11 of those hours. Once you hit 14, you are no longer allowed to drive, but you MAY continue to work as long as you want. BUT, here's the catch. You MUST have 10 hours continuous off before you can drive again. Lunches or breaks do not add to available time. Look at it this way, You have a 14 hour countdown timer when you start in the morning. NOTHING may stop or reset this timer except for 10 hours continuous off duty.

4: Just to throw a wrench into this supposedly "safety" oriented revenue generating set of rules, if you start and stop from the same point every day, once in between every 32 hour reset you can work up to 16 hours. BUT, you can still only be behind the wheel 11 hours total and still need 10 hours off before being able to drive.

Under 12 hours, under 100 miles, you do not need one. If, say once a month, you feel you are definitely within the required parameters, run a log for that day. IF you get stopped and they ask where the previous 7 days of log are, simply tell them "I never fit the requirements, but today I do" Let them do the footwork. Again, surrender nothing unless asked.

To me, being a contractor working locally, I'd not run a log. You have no timeclock, so it'd be pretty difficult for them to prove you had worked over 12 hours. They'd have to do one heck of a lot of investigation to catch you in a lie.

Now, here's a few tips. NEVER give more info in the log than what is required. NEVER do something such as "Wallahalla MI, fuel" in the remarks. This flag will have them asking for a fuel receipt. Write ONLY what the regulations ask for and nothing more. Always round the 15 minute "on duty, not driving" periods down if you can. They can even write tickets if your "Total miles traveled" and "On duty driving" math claim you are speeding.

Everything you need to know about logs can be found at the below links. A word of advice, do your own homework with answering your log questions, many do not know what the rules are, as indicated by a few of the remarks I have read in this thread. Worst case scenario, Lack of a log is far cheaper than a tampered log if you get pushed into a corner.

In the first one, notice there is a different set of rules for "non-cdl" and "intrAstate" drivers. This may apply to you, but I am not sure. I only deal with interstate.

HOS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

Hours-of-Service Regulations - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

Hours of service of drivers - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration


No charge for helping you get to sleep tonight.:D

but if you really wont to get a ticket just do what my cousin done when we got stopped hauling a skidder and they asked to see the log bock he simply told the officer we wasn't hauling logs
 
/ DOT Audit #40  
Good post Haymaker. Keep your answers simple and short. When i roll through a check if they ask me for a log book, I just say I run under the 100 air mile exemption rule. Thats the end of it.


Off subject a little. Rolled into a weight check on the I-95. I haul a milk tanker. Two compartment trailer. I had loaded only the front. Up onto to portables. Young new recruit reading scale. Seasoned veteran behind him supervising. Front axle OK. Put drives on scales. Newbie thought he had a nice summons to write. I was way over for interstate weight laws. Pulled my trailer wheels on. He scratched his head, looked at his supervisor. Trailer was wicked light? He asked, You loaded? Nope. Empty? Nope. Well what to **** are you? Half loaded Officer. supervisor was chuckling. Pulled over and open both valves and leveled load out. Young recruit came over and asked why i didn't tell him I was only half full. Well sir, you didn't ask. I thought it was a little funny, until his ears got a little red. Thought i was going to have a level 1 inspection, but he just walked off grumbling.:)
 

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