DOT Audit

   / DOT Audit #31  
In Jasper Texas a man i know was pulling a 20ft dual gooseneck trailer with single wheels with his one ton going to nome texas to a auction hauling his personal tractor to sell it his neighbor
This reads like someone is selling something which is commercial.

My BIL got tagged for about the same thing, hauling "personal items" to an auction.
 
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#32  
In PA you can register your trailer at any weight you like as long as it for is equal or lower than the manufacturer rated gvw. For example, my trailer is rated for 10400. I registered it for 10000, so it would not be commercial.

MD is being pretty irrational, if they only let you like drop it to 7500 with no options inbetween. You should write your state representative.

Have you ever tried weighing your trailer, etc. I wonder if you would be better off taking a risk of getting caught over 7500 vs getting busted for all the other crap that comes with a commercial trailer. I doubt you are much over the 7500 anyway.

Fines start at 1,000 bucks, can't afford any mistakes.
 
   / DOT Audit #33  
This reads like someone is selling something which is commercial.

My BIL got tagged for about the same thing, hauling "personal items" to an auction.

The DMV here will ask if you are hauling for hire or not...
Most of the time they make their money with under tagged vehicles...
I'm real careful of my dually...
I only keep 10K weight on the tag but hardly ever pull anything except my camper...
They let RV's slide...
 
   / DOT Audit #34  
Pm me. Had my audit with the top inspector. He gave me alot of pointers.
 
   / DOT Audit #36  
So much bad info here. Seems to come up weekly. CDL is just that, a Commercial Drivers License. Commercial = for hire.:confused2:

Does not matter if its a 1 ton dually or a Ranger.

Chris

Chris is right. In SC you can get a class F or E license which are the NON-COMMERCIAL equivalents of class A or B CDL.

Class E: Same as a class B, just not commercial and no medical card needed.
Class F: Same as a class A, just not commercial and no medical card needed.

The main point is that it is NON-COMMERCIAL and you will be guilty until proven innocent if caught and your load looks suspiciously for hire.
 
   / DOT Audit #37  
So much bad info here. Seems to come up weekly. CDL is just that, a Commercial Drivers License. Commercial = for hire.:confused2:

Does not matter if its a 1 ton dually or a Ranger.

Chris

I agree 100% I have owned my own trucking Co. and have had audits and road side inspections, with minor faults found that were corrected on the spot. I have read the regulations from front to back and left to right so i would operate within the law and i see a bunch of bad info also. The FMCSA sets the federal guidelines and each state can add to that if they want to but not take away. There is a lot of info at each DMV site, all you have to do is a little research.
 
   / DOT Audit #38  
Got a call from MD DOT for an audit. They didn't want to see my trailer just the truck. Went to the State Police barracks for the audit. Come to find out they didn't look at the truck just asked if I had the numbers posted which I did.

It was basically a paperwork audit. I didn't have anything except my DOT physical card for my Class A CDL.

I was told that I need to keep a daily hour log and not go over 70 hrs. a week without 32 hrs. off. Even tho I have a part-time lawn care business I have to log my hours from the time I leave home until I get back home. Yearly inspection on my Chevy 2500HD truck and 10,000 lb trailer, all maintenance records for the truck to be kept in the truck, and log on to the USDOT website at least once a year.

I know its because of my equipment that put me in the DOT category and I'm all for safety but it seems a bit overkill.

Anybody else have to deal with this on my scale of business?

Logs run like this:

1: You only need a log if travel over 100 AIR MILES (actually 115 statute miles) or work OVER a 12 hour day.

2: You can run two different "work weeks". 60 hours in 7 days or 70 hours in 8 days. IF you get a break in the middle of the week that is 32 or more hours, that resets the "work week". If you are in a position where you feel you will be keeping a log, you cannot swap what your "work week" is to make things happen. Choose one and stick with it.

3: Hours of Service (HOS) is this. You are allowed to work a 14 hour day, BUT, can only be behind the wheel for 11 of those hours. Once you hit 14, you are no longer allowed to drive, but you MAY continue to work as long as you want. BUT, here's the catch. You MUST have 10 hours continuous off before you can drive again. Lunches or breaks do not add to available time. Look at it this way, You have a 14 hour countdown timer when you start in the morning. NOTHING may stop or reset this timer except for 10 hours continuous off duty.

4: Just to throw a wrench into this supposedly "safety" oriented revenue generating set of rules, if you start and stop from the same point every day, once in between every 32 hour reset you can work up to 16 hours. BUT, you can still only be behind the wheel 11 hours total and still need 10 hours off before being able to drive.

Under 12 hours, under 100 miles, you do not need one. If, say once a month, you feel you are definitely within the required parameters, run a log for that day. IF you get stopped and they ask where the previous 7 days of log are, simply tell them "I never fit the requirements, but today I do" Let them do the footwork. Again, surrender nothing unless asked.

To me, being a contractor working locally, I'd not run a log. You have no timeclock, so it'd be pretty difficult for them to prove you had worked over 12 hours. They'd have to do one heck of a lot of investigation to catch you in a lie.

Now, here's a few tips. NEVER give more info in the log than what is required. NEVER do something such as "Wallahalla MI, fuel" in the remarks. This flag will have them asking for a fuel receipt. Write ONLY what the regulations ask for and nothing more. Always round the 15 minute "on duty, not driving" periods down if you can. They can even write tickets if your "Total miles traveled" and "On duty driving" math claim you are speeding.

Everything you need to know about logs can be found at the below links. A word of advice, do your own homework with answering your log questions, many do not know what the rules are, as indicated by a few of the remarks I have read in this thread. Worst case scenario, Lack of a log is far cheaper than a tampered log if you get pushed into a corner.

In the first one, notice there is a different set of rules for "non-cdl" and "intrAstate" drivers. This may apply to you, but I am not sure. I only deal with interstate.

HOS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

Hours-of-Service Regulations - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

Hours of service of drivers - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration


No charge for helping you get to sleep tonight.:D
 
   / DOT Audit #39  
Logs run like this:

1: You only need a log if travel over 100 AIR MILES (actually 115 statute miles) or work OVER a 12 hour day.

2: You can run two different "work weeks". 60 hours in 7 days or 70 hours in 8 days. IF you get a break in the middle of the week that is 32 or more hours, that resets the "work week". If you are in a position where you feel you will be keeping a log, you cannot swap what your "work week" is to make things happen. Choose one and stick with it.

3: Hours of Service (HOS) is this. You are allowed to work a 14 hour day, BUT, can only be behind the wheel for 11 of those hours. Once you hit 14, you are no longer allowed to drive, but you MAY continue to work as long as you want. BUT, here's the catch. You MUST have 10 hours continuous off before you can drive again. Lunches or breaks do not add to available time. Look at it this way, You have a 14 hour countdown timer when you start in the morning. NOTHING may stop or reset this timer except for 10 hours continuous off duty.

4: Just to throw a wrench into this supposedly "safety" oriented revenue generating set of rules, if you start and stop from the same point every day, once in between every 32 hour reset you can work up to 16 hours. BUT, you can still only be behind the wheel 11 hours total and still need 10 hours off before being able to drive.

Under 12 hours, under 100 miles, you do not need one. If, say once a month, you feel you are definitely within the required parameters, run a log for that day. IF you get stopped and they ask where the previous 7 days of log are, simply tell them "I never fit the requirements, but today I do" Let them do the footwork. Again, surrender nothing unless asked.

To me, being a contractor working locally, I'd not run a log. You have no timeclock, so it'd be pretty difficult for them to prove you had worked over 12 hours. They'd have to do one heck of a lot of investigation to catch you in a lie.

Now, here's a few tips. NEVER give more info in the log than what is required. NEVER do something such as "Wallahalla MI, fuel" in the remarks. This flag will have them asking for a fuel receipt. Write ONLY what the regulations ask for and nothing more. Always round the 15 minute "on duty, not driving" periods down if you can. They can even write tickets if your "Total miles traveled" and "On duty driving" math claim you are speeding.

Everything you need to know about logs can be found at the below links. A word of advice, do your own homework with answering your log questions, many do not know what the rules are, as indicated by a few of the remarks I have read in this thread. Worst case scenario, Lack of a log is far cheaper than a tampered log if you get pushed into a corner.

In the first one, notice there is a different set of rules for "non-cdl" and "intrAstate" drivers. This may apply to you, but I am not sure. I only deal with interstate.

HOS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

Hours-of-Service Regulations - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

Hours of service of drivers - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration


No charge for helping you get to sleep tonight.:D

but if you really wont to get a ticket just do what my cousin done when we got stopped hauling a skidder and they asked to see the log bock he simply told the officer we wasn't hauling logs
 
   / DOT Audit #40  
Good post Haymaker. Keep your answers simple and short. When i roll through a check if they ask me for a log book, I just say I run under the 100 air mile exemption rule. Thats the end of it.


Off subject a little. Rolled into a weight check on the I-95. I haul a milk tanker. Two compartment trailer. I had loaded only the front. Up onto to portables. Young new recruit reading scale. Seasoned veteran behind him supervising. Front axle OK. Put drives on scales. Newbie thought he had a nice summons to write. I was way over for interstate weight laws. Pulled my trailer wheels on. He scratched his head, looked at his supervisor. Trailer was wicked light? He asked, You loaded? Nope. Empty? Nope. Well what to **** are you? Half loaded Officer. supervisor was chuckling. Pulled over and open both valves and leveled load out. Young recruit came over and asked why i didn't tell him I was only half full. Well sir, you didn't ask. I thought it was a little funny, until his ears got a little red. Thought i was going to have a level 1 inspection, but he just walked off grumbling.:)
 

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