Driverless Cars

[prof fate]

So the car then uploads everything you have done to the cloud to be used in marketing. Sorry I already have Facebook for that.

and your phone...and onstar...google knows all!

 

[Travelover]

.......... If you need an ambulance or fire department, who do you call? ......

Here is one answer.

 

[cqaigy2]

Wonder how a driverless car will work on gravel roads?

Apparently you didn't see the darpa Grand Challenge many years ago.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Apparently you didn't see the darpa Grand Challenge many years ago.

No i didnt, what was the outcome? Was it on open public roads?

 

[cqaigy2]

No i didnt, what was the outcome? Was it on open public roads?

Pretty interesting. darpa Grand Challenge - Google Search

 

[Soundguy]

Well, in gun debates with non-gun owners I ask if LIFE is what matters? If so - then limit the speed of ALL cars to 20mph.
Since cars kill more people than guns (ignoring suicide), that would save the most lives immediately - and would not violate a single law or right.

Nobody but NOBODY is in favor of that idea. So it's NOT lives that matter - it's CONVENIENCE or 'me first'. Just hit any hiway and observe the speed people are diving..55mph here and most are doing 70, 75. If ti's 65 they're doing 80. I've seen evern higher speeds on the east cost (I-95 in particular).

Why?
Why do people drive tired, drunk, etc?

lots of things could be done...but are not. How about swipe your license to start a car? No license..no driving. Or limited dirving if you cna't see at night, have a junior license, etc?

You are correct.. it's not about saving lives.

Look at some law enforcement issues. rarely is it about safety.. it's usually about revenue enforcement.

 

[Reg]

Wonder how a driverless car will work on gravel roads?

Don't have to get all the way to fully autonomous to answer that - Tesla already has a hybrid system that helps it identify "lanes" on roads that don't have lane markings.
A combination of GPS, cell phone towers, sensors and the experience of THAT car plus the experience(s) of other semi autonomous cars that have been driven on that segment of that road (Tesla sales dude said).
They share their driving experiences somewhat like humans do, just not over the office water cooler.

Again, Some HUGE percentage of the driving of most of us is very local, home/work/grocery store/"other" local stores/ malls/bars/ etc.
Tesla cars can learn a LOT of details about the roads that you drive on - even if only once.

I like to drive too, I like to think I am a bit above average, don't we all ?
If we could just get all the IDIOT and drunken drivers into fully autonomous vehicles driving would be so much more pleasant for the rest of us - y'know who you are, all us above average drivers (-:

 

[Reg]

Well, in gun debates with non-gun owners I ask if LIFE is what matters? If so - then limit the speed of ALL cars to 20mph.
Since cars kill more people than guns (ignoring suicide), that would save the most lives immediately - and would not violate a single law or right.

Nobody but NOBODY is in favor of that idea. So it's NOT lives that matter - it's CONVENIENCE or 'me first'. Just hit any hiway and observe the speed people are diving..55mph here and most are doing 70, 75. If ti's 65 they're doing 80. I've seen evern higher speeds on the east cost (I-95 in particular).

Why?
Why do people drive tired, drunk, etc?

lots of things could be done...but are not. How about swipe your license to start a car? No license..no driving. Or limited dirving if you cna't see at night, have a junior license, etc?

Couple of things on this post;
1) I feel safer at the gun range than just about anywhere else - everyone but EVERYONE knows the potential consequences of a mistake, so mistakes that COUNT are very very rare and people get CALLED OUT for ANY safety issue whether it is actually dangerous or not.
{BTW, that doesn't make me complacent about safety at the gun range.}

2) Driving to/from the gun range makes me a safer driver.
I have NO desire to be stopped for even the most trivial infraction.

3) Folk with enough DUIs sometimes only get a provisional license when they get it back.
Conditional on a breathalyzer ignition interlock.
I can see that coming as REQUIRED standard equipment ...one day.
It could do a LOT more for SAFETY than the blind spot warning bleeper.

4) Around here if you really want to tick people off drive *AT* the speed limit, they'll honk and flash until they can get around you and cut in hard.
A good place is just before a known speed trap, which happens to be where the double line just went away.

 

[prof fate]

This -

Couple of things on this post;

4) Around here if you really want to tick people off drive *AT* the speed limit, they'll honk and flash until they can get around you and cut in hard.
A good place is just before a known speed trap, which happens to be where the double line just went away.

Will be the question as self driving cars begin to proliferate. They will NOT break traffic laws - liability concerns killing the industry being a valid reason. So speeding? nope. that will cause other drivers to go nuts in traffic - or maybe get self driving cars themselves once say, 20% are self driving.

Considerations - self drivers can follow eachother at what, 2 feet maybe? So a string of them, say 10, in the slow lane on the hiway will make merging/passing difficult for 'real' drivers. What will 'people' do?

And if you pull out infront of a self-driver it will stop - so you come to an intersection you can 'force' the self driver to wait while you go..and soon 'real' people will learn this and ohter tricks and 'stop' the self drivers in their tracks.

Wonder what the solution to all that will be? Self drivers with cameras sending in traffic violation reports on the rest of us real drivers? If it raised revenue....

 

[Reg]

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Will be the question as self driving cars begin to proliferate. They will NOT break traffic laws - liability concerns killing the industry being a valid reason. So speeding? nope. that will cause other drivers to go nuts in traffic - or maybe get self driving cars themselves once say, 20% are self driving.

Considerations - self drivers can follow eachother at what, 2 feet maybe? So a string of them, say 10, in the slow lane on the hiway will make merging/passing difficult for 'real' drivers. What will 'people' do?

And if you pull out infront of a self-driver it will stop - so you come to an intersection you can 'force' the self driver to wait while you go..and soon 'real' people will learn this and ohter tricks and 'stop' the self drivers in their tracks.

Wonder what the solution to all that will be? Self drivers with cameras sending in traffic violation reports on the rest of us real drivers? If it raised revenue....

If you MISTAKE a human controlled vehicle for an autonomous vehicle ....well now, you just might have bought yourself a whole can o' road rage, especially if the human doesn't react in time for your foolishness to pay off and just plows into you.

I don't see the string of law abiding vehicles in the proper lane as an issue, if they are AT the speed limit why would you be passing them to make the exit ramp ? Fall in behind them and wait your turn.

OTOH, I suspect that when they are in a tight line and an idiot human comes up alongside with a blinker on the whole train will fall back to let the idiot human in.

I've driven coast to coast and border to border (and back) and all over Europe, whatever sense you get from higher speed and lane swapping/weaving they make very little difference to actual journey times. It isn't the TOP speed that determines journey time, it is the creep along speed that we (all equally) get stuck in.

Ask anyone who drives a trailer to horse shows how much longer it really takes them from the barn to the show vs the sports sedan that the other half of the family are in.