cqaigy2
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So that is speeds up when it senses one?
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So that is speeds up when it senses one?
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I listened to Elon Musk talking about training that they are doing and it was impressive what they are doing to one day build cars without a steering wheel. He has teams of like minded people working in all of his companies. Some so sees his efforts as an overkill but they do not understand every process in every business that he starts is to make life on Mars happen by 2050. I do not plan to go but plan to be around to see it. To make in more real I have invited a few to my 110th birthday bash (2061) and I may need a Tesla without a steering wheel by that time.
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Can I get an invite to that birthday party? I am a few years younger and should have no problem making that if you can!
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Sure but I normally only invite those who are 30 years younger than I am so they have more time prepare to live 120 years.
I wish I had known what I now know about living a full life span years ago. But I was 63 racing to an early grave before I saw the flashing yellow light. The brain gets involved when health becomes a special goal. My resting blood pressure has dropped and now is normally a bit under the 120/80 range with pulse rate range high 40's to high 50's.
I want a full self driving car because I have limited range of motion and no way to shake my head yes or no so I use a hot pink hand held mirror from Dollar General when I come to intersections. Seeing a 70 year old guy using a hot pink mirror to see how to drive is a warning to most other drivers unless they are distracted due to texting.
I got the Leaf to learn more about Lithium Ion traction battery care plus it has 4 exterior cameras that are helpful when parking between the bush hog and wife's car or seeing the curbs going through a drive thru. Going forward the cameras shut off when I go over 6 MPH so I piss off those behind me going through town at 6 MPH but I am still trying to learn how defeat the 6 MPH cut off feature.
This is one reason Elon Musk is my hero because he is bringing awesome technology to help old men live longer and keep driving or appear to be driving. Some guys think they need a chick magnet car at age 18 but they really need one 50-75 years later.
I was being somewhat indirect
..... and my line about Bank Robber mode likely didn't help......When writing the code to control a vehicle on-road, there are some ultra-rare events that could happen, that you wouldn't design/build/test for, at least not early-on (ex. a road, culvert, or bridge suddenly washing away).
An Emergency Vehicle on-road with emergency-lights Active is not one of those ultra-rare events, and one I hoped was high on Tesla's priority design/test list.
From the description, it seems like the Tesla paid no-attention to the Emergency Vehicle, and only prioritized the higher cruise-speed the idiot asleep at the wheel had set.
I am critiquing the tech, but to be clear...... IMO that "driver" should get a lifetime driving ban. In a different, non-rich-kid, universe that might happen.....
Rgds, D.
Done right, you could be another Lazarus Long :thumbsup:.
Elon gets where he's going in part by setting the bar very High. In the rush to get there, corners unavoidably get cut.
First Mover is a big deal in tech; it's another part of Elon's success story. Putting multi-ton autonomous vehicles on the road is a big deal. Given how long Tesla has been in production with these vehicles, this vehicle not recognizing a LEO with Lights On shows how immature this market still is.
I do value technology, but I don't take it for granted, and get seriously irritated when it's sloppily applied.
That ^ is my broad view, not just applied to Tesla. I don't plan on being on a Boeing plane again, ever.
Rgds, D.
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only trouble is, computers break down too, all it would take is a sensor to go bad, someone gets run over,since no one is driving,who would be at fault? arrest a car?
cqaigy2
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That's the problem we have today, except the computer is the human driver, and the sensors are busy looking at the phone. I'd expect in the driverless car, nobody gets arrested. Insurance companies and vehicle manufactures get sued and lawyers get rich. BTW, not anti lawyer, heck some of my best friends know somebody that is a lawyer.
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Way back when (and still used at some companies today) lines were painted on the floor for robots to follow. Now we have ones that can scan walls and other obstructions and adjust. But in the end the usual default is to stop if in doubt. For example if a bridge is washed out I would expect as soon as the computer senses a problem with the road it will apply the brakes. I know Tesla has a plaid mode but hopefully they didn't add a "Dukes of Hazard" mode and try to jump it. When it comes to factory robots if one stops the others quickly stack up behind it. With a driver one can take over, navigate around the problem, and continue on. In a driverless car what would happen? Like putting a new driver into a geared car in the not to distant future passengers will no longer know how to take over and drive. Think about the horse and buggy days, how many people today would know how to take control of a cart and command the horse to get to where they want to go? I'm sure in the long run this shouldn't be a problem but getting there isn't going to be easy.
Some good general points:
Autonomous cars: five reasons they still aren't on our roads
This one esp. stuck with me....
"But at the moment there is no widely accepted and agreed basis for ensuring that the machine learning algorithms used in the cars are safe. We do not have agreement across the industry, or across standardisation bodies, on how machine learning should be trained, tested or validated."
Those last 2 (bolded) aren't the sexy-get-your-face-on-the-cover-of-Time parts of engineering, but if you haven't sweated through the work needed to get that done, it's hard to appreciate what's involved in getting that right.
Most of us wouldn't buy road-going tires w/o DOT approval. Not to belittle what it takes to build a decent road tire, but testing/validating fully autonomous road-going vehicles is orders of magnitude harder.
Rgds, D.
Autonomous cars: five reasons they still aren't on our roads
This one esp. stuck with me....
"But at the moment there is no widely accepted and agreed basis for ensuring that the machine learning algorithms used in the cars are safe. We do not have agreement across the industry, or across standardisation bodies, on how machine learning should be trained, tested or validated."
Those last 2 (bolded) aren't the sexy-get-your-face-on-the-cover-of-Time parts of engineering, but if you haven't sweated through the work needed to get that done, it's hard to appreciate what's involved in getting that right.
Most of us wouldn't buy road-going tires w/o DOT approval. Not to belittle what it takes to build a decent road tire, but testing/validating fully autonomous road-going vehicles is orders of magnitude harder.
Rgds, D.