NoMo
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Possum, what part of the state are you in?
Maybe we can help you find a good dealer with the product you want.
Maybe we can help you find a good dealer with the product you want.
Driving myself crazy
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possum_hollow
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I am south of Locust Grove. We have two very fine dealers in the area. Quanties in Locust Grove has been around a long time, and my family has done business there since the 70's. He is carrying the TYM, and some other brands I haven't much interest in. He is also a MF dealer. Also, in Tahlequah, Adrian Farm Supply. I have not personally done business there, but they have a good reputation and have been around a long time. I spoke with Bob at Adrian's and got a quote on a Branson 4720. I also have had some quotes on Mahindra from Ft. Gibson, Kubota from C&D, and Montana from Springdale. Thanks for the interest.
coasterez
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Bob,
Maybe I wasn't clear. My point was that it's not just about machine quality. Machine quality is, of course, very important - it's a must. A tractor might be around 30 years (and none of us know one way or the other if the TYM's quality would have it last that long), but the company and support for that machine might not. Here too, for TYM we don't know one way or the other. But, BOTH the tractor and the company have to be around in order for a brand/make to be deemed "successful", in my mind. It does me little good to buy a machine if I can't get parts or service for it, no matter how good the quality is. Eventually I will need parts, and probably service too. That is my point. I'd be surprised if you didn't agree with this.
But, as I said before, from my perspective, if I get 15 years or more of good use, without too many repairs, then I still did ok with the brand/model even if the company has long since gone by the wayside and others did not do so well with the same machine. I may not have done as well had the company/model developed the reputation that Kubota has been able to, but I still say I did ok. I probably got my money's worth, at the very least. Me doing "ok" and a brand/model being "successful" aren't necessarily the same thing. It's a calculated risk to buy the unproven, for sure. But, if you're lucky, and you pick the right "off" brand it could be worth it.
So, what quality issues to you have with this TYM? What quality issues make it worse than similar machines from the big three? That's the brand/model I was speaking of with my "per se" comment, not "off" brands in general. I'm sorry if this wasn't clear. With regard to this TYM model, I honestly don't know. I did like the K2's a lot. But, was less impressed with a 330 hst that I tested. Though, my opinion of the 330 is mostly based on cosmics (except for the weak power steering), and it was an older left over model that had clearly been out in the weather awhile.
Though, A K2 might be in my future a few years down the road . First, I need to take care of the big tasks I have to do with my bigger machine, and then wait and see how TYM and their machines are doing around the country. If they look to be doing well, I just might sell my tractors and buy one (or maybe it'll just be a small frame Big 3). Anyway, the more choices the better.
I understand what you are saying about quality. Yet, some quality things are subjective. And it could be argued, base on your definition of quality (which I agree with), that all brands have quality issues - some more than others, depending on who you ask. And when subjectivity comes into play, some of these quality issues may not matter to certain users. Furthermore, many "quality" issues do not affect the reliability and longevity of the machine. They might affect how many buy them because they don't "like" the design, and this could certainly affect the viability of a brand/model and ones ability to get parts and service due to the number of machines out there. I guess what I'm saying is quality is not always black and white. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. The unfortunate fact is, unless it's just horribly bad, it takes several years of history to really flush out whether a model/company is reliable and viable, regardless of one's perception of its quality. Many people just prefer to stay with the tried and true and not take the chance. And there is certainly nothing wrong with that.
....Now be easy on me.
Tom
Maybe I wasn't clear. My point was that it's not just about machine quality. Machine quality is, of course, very important - it's a must. A tractor might be around 30 years (and none of us know one way or the other if the TYM's quality would have it last that long), but the company and support for that machine might not. Here too, for TYM we don't know one way or the other. But, BOTH the tractor and the company have to be around in order for a brand/make to be deemed "successful", in my mind. It does me little good to buy a machine if I can't get parts or service for it, no matter how good the quality is. Eventually I will need parts, and probably service too. That is my point. I'd be surprised if you didn't agree with this.
But, as I said before, from my perspective, if I get 15 years or more of good use, without too many repairs, then I still did ok with the brand/model even if the company has long since gone by the wayside and others did not do so well with the same machine. I may not have done as well had the company/model developed the reputation that Kubota has been able to, but I still say I did ok. I probably got my money's worth, at the very least. Me doing "ok" and a brand/model being "successful" aren't necessarily the same thing. It's a calculated risk to buy the unproven, for sure. But, if you're lucky, and you pick the right "off" brand it could be worth it.
So, what quality issues to you have with this TYM? What quality issues make it worse than similar machines from the big three? That's the brand/model I was speaking of with my "per se" comment, not "off" brands in general. I'm sorry if this wasn't clear. With regard to this TYM model, I honestly don't know. I did like the K2's a lot. But, was less impressed with a 330 hst that I tested. Though, my opinion of the 330 is mostly based on cosmics (except for the weak power steering), and it was an older left over model that had clearly been out in the weather awhile.
Though, A K2 might be in my future a few years down the road . First, I need to take care of the big tasks I have to do with my bigger machine, and then wait and see how TYM and their machines are doing around the country. If they look to be doing well, I just might sell my tractors and buy one (or maybe it'll just be a small frame Big 3). Anyway, the more choices the better.
I understand what you are saying about quality. Yet, some quality things are subjective. And it could be argued, base on your definition of quality (which I agree with), that all brands have quality issues - some more than others, depending on who you ask. And when subjectivity comes into play, some of these quality issues may not matter to certain users. Furthermore, many "quality" issues do not affect the reliability and longevity of the machine. They might affect how many buy them because they don't "like" the design, and this could certainly affect the viability of a brand/model and ones ability to get parts and service due to the number of machines out there. I guess what I'm saying is quality is not always black and white. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. The unfortunate fact is, unless it's just horribly bad, it takes several years of history to really flush out whether a model/company is reliable and viable, regardless of one's perception of its quality. Many people just prefer to stay with the tried and true and not take the chance. And there is certainly nothing wrong with that.
....Now be easy on me.
Tom
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OrangeGuy said:
1) Ford did purchase Sperry-New Holland. Then sold it to fiat. They lisenced the name to New Holland after the sale so it would make an easier transaction for loyal Ford owners.
See link provided:
New Holland Ag - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Swathers, combines and balers were and still are one of New Hollands major sellers. If these are not what New Holland is noted for then what is?
When I think of New Holland, all I think of are the yellow and red haying equipment. Swathers and balers. Not the Blue tractors everyone talks about today.... Those are still Fords in my mind.
Another link:
New Holland
2) This is what I said. How is this an error?
History of Duetz: Deutz-Fahr history
3) Not entirely true. Certain tractor like te 4000 series have shifted back to the us for manufacturing. John Deere has many manufacturing facilities in the U.S. All their lawn tractors. Most of their heavy machinery such as combines etc are all made in the us. Yes many lines are manufactured overseas, but many are made in the U.S. and this is axactly what I said. Where are the errors?
4) Ditto on what I said.
Ooooh. Just found another link expaining what a swather is for those not in the now. Even has the New Holland logo on it:
Hay Mowers
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NoMo
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Locust is a nice area! I always meant to stop by Quantie on my way to see relatives in the Oaks/Rocky Ford/Little Kansas area but never did.
Don't forget about the Kubota dealer that's been in Claremore for years. And there's also a dealer up in Jay that you should check out.
The big Deere & NH dealers in Tulsa don't seem interested in us "little guys". Their prices were always the highest too. If looking in the Tulsa area, I recommend Jernigan's for Deere and Jensen up in Bartlesville for New Holland.
Getting a little further away... there's a nice Montana dealer in Dewey that I've met a few times at the Farm show. And of course, Dan with Creek County Equipment is a great dealer who frequents this site. Dan sells TYM, Montana, Branson and a few other brands. Kind of a long drive for you, but he might make it worthwhile.
On a side note that I'm sure only a few of us (including Possum) will care about...
My avatar is a picture taken at Dripping Springs State Park just this side of Siloam.
Don't forget about the Kubota dealer that's been in Claremore for years. And there's also a dealer up in Jay that you should check out.
The big Deere & NH dealers in Tulsa don't seem interested in us "little guys". Their prices were always the highest too. If looking in the Tulsa area, I recommend Jernigan's for Deere and Jensen up in Bartlesville for New Holland.
Getting a little further away... there's a nice Montana dealer in Dewey that I've met a few times at the Farm show. And of course, Dan with Creek County Equipment is a great dealer who frequents this site. Dan sells TYM, Montana, Branson and a few other brands. Kind of a long drive for you, but he might make it worthwhile.
On a side note that I'm sure only a few of us (including Possum) will care about...
My avatar is a picture taken at Dripping Springs State Park just this side of Siloam.
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possum_hollow
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Dripping Springs is one beautiful place.....Anyway, back to tractors. I pulled the trigger yesterday and bought one. After listening to my steer roping friends, I checked out Mike Cooper's Mahindras over in Ft. Gibson. Due to a lack of objectivity (I work for a company that has moved it's R+D and Software to India), I had not considered this tractor. When I saw it, it was obvious that the thing was tank compared to any other in the class of tractor I was looking for. Mike was very flexible and cooperative, and many people in my area have bought from him and are happy. There are a total of 5 Mahindra dealers within 60 miles, so I don't think they are going away soon.
NoMo
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Congrats on the new tractor!
I liked the Mahindras too. Which one did you get?
I liked the Mahindras too. Which one did you get?
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possum_hollow
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I got the 4530, FEL, rear hydralics and ag tires. I am leaving Monday and won't be back until Friday, when it is delivered. Can't wait to get out on it!
Bill_Miller
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I'm running a Yanmar, built in the 70s. But parts are very available at Hoye Tractor. And very reasonably priced. BTW, Yanmar has built most small JD tractors for many years. They also dominate the sailboat engine market and have for decades. I have only put 600 hours on my YM1700 in the last five years, but so far nothing but routine maintenance.
It seems the only U.S. built diesel engines are in 18 wheelers? Does any tractor come with a U.S. diesel????? I think JD builds their own large engines???
Just be sure you have a good dealer that has been in business for at least ten years. And good experienced mechanics. I always go back and talk to the mechanics, they can tell you honestly which tractor is best. And which ones to avoid.
It seems the only U.S. built diesel engines are in 18 wheelers? Does any tractor come with a U.S. diesel????? I think JD builds their own large engines???
Just be sure you have a good dealer that has been in business for at least ten years. And good experienced mechanics. I always go back and talk to the mechanics, they can tell you honestly which tractor is best. And which ones to avoid.
