Drove the Titan

   / Drove the Titan
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#31  
"I'm not into racing, but I'd like to see the Titan out-run my Dodge-Cummins in a meaningful, real-life situation "

but that would be comparing a work truck to a personal truck. Most people who own trucks for average use do not buy 3/4 ton diesel trucks. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif. I suppose a Kenworth would out pull your Cummings Dodge but most people don't own those for pulling their ski boat or hauling the goceries /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif.
The PM test was loaded out, top of the line gasoline rigs with the biggest cabs and engines offered, the Titan was able to pull equal loads and out ran them ALL according to PM results. I don't know if you have seen the Nissan add were it is passing a Dodge going up hill pulling aload--of course that is on TV, everyone knows people don't pull houses with their Chevy or dump bricks into their new F150. Did I read somewhere there is a plastic bed coming out for a truck? J
 
   / Drove the Titan
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#32  
"I took these numbers off the chevy and ford web pages. I don't know where PM got their numbers unless they compared the 4.6 engines."

The Chevy had the 5.3 (295HP and 330Lb ft), the Dodge was the 5.7 Hemi (345HP and 375 lb ft), the Ford had the 5.4 (300HP and 365 lb ft), the Titan was a 5.6DOHC 32 valve V8 (305HP and 379 lb ft). Again, these were according to the artical loaded out top of the line 1/2 ton gasoline rigs with the biggest cabs available and 4X4. The Titan was quicker than ALL, pulled as much as all but the GMC and within a few hundred lbs of that truck, 9400lbs vs 9900 for the GMC, the Titan was second place at 9400. The Nissan Titan was faster than the Ford and Chevy with 1,000 lbs in the bed when they were EMPTY of ballast. The second quickest truck was the GMC Denali with the 6.0 litre (325HP and 365 lb ft.) You can see that the Titan had more torque (more than any other in the test) and perhaps due to it's 5 speed automatic (yes 5 speed auto) and responsive 32 valve engine was quicker. The Denalli was slightly quicker than the Titan in the 40-70 passing test, 6.06 sec vs 6.23 sec. Therefore, according to PM the quote I have already given----" (the Titan) edged out some highly developed veterans (Ford, Chevy, GMC, Dodge, Toyota) to land at the top of our score cards"--end quote. They said it, not me /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif. Oh, since this is Nissan's first attempt at a full size truck and those other guys have been at work for years what do you think 5 years from now might bring? Nothing like being the winner straight out of the starting gate. Looks to me like some folks got their work cut out for them because the bar has been raised for Gasoline, 1/2 ton, full size personal 4X4 trucks. I am not talking Kenworths or Mac trucks- but personal non work trucks as most people buy. J
 
   / Drove the Titan
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#33  
From a website about the Titan--------- FYI

Nissan: 2004 Nissan Titan;

All-New 2004 Nissan Titan Full-Size Pickup Builds on

The all-new 2004 Nissan Titan, which made its world debut at the 2003 North American International Auto Show in Detroit, brings to the full-size pickup market bold styling and a new level of innovation – including rear King Cab doors that open nearly 180 degrees for nearly unlimited interior access and a high-utility bed that includes an industry-first factory-applied spray-in bed liner, a new Utili-track tie-down system that provides ultimate cargo hauling flexibility and an integrated, lockable bedside storage compartment.


2004 Nissan Titan - Click image for larger view

The Titan, Nissan's first entry into the full-size truck category, is built on an all-new pickup platform, featuring a newly designed 300-plus horsepower Nissan Endurance 5.6-liter DOHC V8 with a torque rating of more than 375 lb-ft. The new Titan also offers a standard 5-speed automatic transmission and a towing capacity of up to 9,400 pounds. Titan will be available in both King Cab and Crew Cab models with a choice of 2-wheel and 4-wheel drive. The Titan Crew Cab model will be shown for the first time at the New York International Auto Show in April 2003.

The new Titan, which was conceived, developed, styled and engineered primarily in North America, will be assembled at Nissan's new $1.43 billion manufacturing facility in Canton, Miss., with its Nissan Endurance V8 assembled on an all-new line at Nissan's advanced engine production facility in Decherd, Tenn. The new Titan is scheduled to go on sale at more than 1,100 Nissan dealers nationwide in late 2003.


2004 Nissan Titan - Click image for larger view

“The launch of the 2004 Titan is a huge project for Nissan, literally and figuratively,” said Bill Kirrane, vice president and general manager, Nissan Division. “Our challenge in entering this well-defined, brand loyal and product knowledge truck market is to first get the basics done right and then build on those core attributes with a new level of style and innovation. With Titan, we’ve done just that.”

The Titan Concept: Big, Bold and Better

The Titan name was chosen to reflect the importance Nissan placed on the all-new pickup’s massive size and power. Though the pickup has replaced the sedan in many households as the second family vehicle, the prerequisites for success continue to be horsepower, torque, towing capacity, a large cab and a large bed.


2004 Nissan Titan - Click image for larger view

“One of our first targets in developing the new Titan was to fit in before we could stand out,” said Kirrane. “Trucks have become a necessity rather than an accessory for active lifestyles, so we had two goals: to meet or exceed the capacities and capabilities of the gold standards in class – and then bring to the table fresh ideas, items that have never been done before.”

As Nissan began an extensive research program into truck usage and owner desires, innovation emerged as the primary need beyond size and power. “We let owners tell us and show us what they felt was missing in the current offerings – more storage, more cargo carrying flexibility and more assertive styling. Then we added some ideas and targets of our own, like building on the best power in class with the highest fuel economy and longest driving range,” said Kirrane.

While the engineers began work on Titan’s hardware, a team of designers set up shop at Nissan Design America, Inc. (NDA) in La Jolla, Calif. Like every other area of the new Titan, the exterior styling grew out of extensive pickup user research.

“There hasn’t been much pickup design innovation for a number of years and for many owners there hasn’t been much need,” said Tom Semple, president, NDA. “Yet we heard from buyers, especially those somewhat younger than the truck segment average, that they wanted a bolder, more expressive exterior, something more adventurous. We also wanted the design to be clearly identified as a Nissan.”

The Titan exterior design is marked by both its refinement and large sense of scale, with a large, impressive hood, powerful yet highly detailed headlights and a unique silhouette.

“We really wanted to give Titan a new quality, a really modern feel without compromising its utilitarian roots,” said Semple. “It’s stylish but still a truck, with the form projecting the vehicle’s power and dimensions.”

A True Truck Platform

Once the basic form took shape, the engineers turned to matching bold styling with equally bold ideas of their own. First was the idea of class-leading performance. Building on Nissan's reputation for advanced engine design, they targeted class-leading towing power, acceleration and fuel economy/driving range with the development of the Titan's standard 5.6-liter DOHC V8. Rated at over 300 horsepower and, equally important, more than 375 lb-ft of torque, the engine is matched with a specially engineered 5-speed automatic transmission with manual shift mode and available gated shifter.

Though final numbers are not yet available, the use of advanced engine technology such as aluminum block with cast iron cylinder liners, forged steel crankshaft, microfinished crankshaft and camshaft, molybdenum-coated pistons, 6-bolt main bearing caps, and Super Silent single-stage timing chain are expected to result in excellent fuel economy with no sacrifice of performance.

For 4x4 models, Titan adapts an advanced shift-on-the-fly 4-wheel drive system with 2WD/4H/4LO modes with electronic control part-time transfer case.

An off-road package will also be available with a unique lower ratio Dana 44 axle, class-exclusive electronically activated locking rear differential (switch operated), off-road-style Rancho gas shock absorbers, large all-terrain tires, fog lights and lower radiator, fuel tank and transfer case skid plates.

Titan's responsive handling is a product of its all-steel double wishbone front suspension design and rigid leaf (dual rate) rear suspension with shackles mounted along the frame sides to eliminate below frame obstacles. The new Titan is available with 7.5x17 painted steel wheels and 245/75R17 tires or 8.0x18 aluminum-alloy wheels and 265/70R18 tires. Also available are 7.5x17 brushed aluminum-alloy wheels and 285/70R17 tires as part of the off-road package.

Power-assisted rack-and-pinion steering is standard, along with 4-wheel disc brakes with Bosch Anti-lock Braking System (ABS).

The Titan’s towing capacity is rated at up to 9,400 pounds – as much as some 3/4-ton pickups.

A Contemporary Interior, an Innovative Entrance


2004 Nissan Titan - Click image for larger view
The interior is designed to be spacious and accommodating, while also highly usable. “We wanted the Titan's interior to feel big, assertive and organized, combining big, open spaces with smaller, private places for the owners’ everyday stuff,” said Semple. "Even the door handles, knobs and assist grips are unique, full-size truck scale parts, designed to be used with work gloves on – rather than just pulling sedan knobs and handles out of the parts inventory."


The King Cab’s rear compartment offers ample rear storage, including door storage bins and rear door bottle holders in the armrests and power front windows with one-touch up and down function.

Along with the “everyday innovations” found in Titan’s storage and comfort details, King Cab models feature a true breakthrough design innovation - a first-in-class Wide-Open rear door that swings open nearly 180 degrees, providing unprecedented access to the rear seats. Key to the door’s design is a hefty, two-stage hinge with four axis of rotation. The door opens first to a conventional 85 degrees, then can be swung to nearly 180 degrees.


2004 Nissan Titan - Click image for larger view
Among the Titans many standard and available features are power-adjustable front seats with available driver's seat memory system, heated front seats and flip-up rear seat cushions (King Cab) for added cargo space and flexibility, with grocery hooks on the bottom of the seat cushions.


Along with providing a new level of ease for entering and exiting the rear seat, the Wide-Open door allows owners to load packages or cargo in crowded parking lots without having to maneuver between the traditional “trap” of partially opened front and rear doors.

The Wide-Open door will be standard on all 2004 Nissan Titan King Cab models.

“The Wide-Open door design is amazing both in its simplicity and in how far it advances the basic utility of an extended cab truck,” said Larry Dominque, Chief Product Specialist, Nissan Titan. “It is really going to make Titan stand out from every other extended cab pickup on the market today.”

A High-Utility Bed

The Titan’s other really big idea is actually a series of innovations, all addressing truck owners’ desire for more utility and flexibility in how they use their trucks’ beds.

Nissan research showed that a vast majority of full-size pickup owners perform some sort of modifications, usually bed liners or tie-down systems, to their trucks after purchase. After studying available aftermarket bed utility systems and bed liners, the Titan team created a unique, two-part solution.

“For years, truck owners have had to make do with a simple steel box with just four tie-down hooks in the corners,” said Dominique. “No more.”

First, to overcome the tendency of aftermarket drop-in bedliners to warp or trap rust-inducing moisture underneath, or the relatively high cost and thickness of typical aftermarket spray-in bedliners, a special factory-applied spray-in bedliner was developed. Using a special high durability hard surface resin application, which can be sprayed on complex surfaces, the bedliner helps prevent scratch damage and corrosion to the bed and inner tailgate surface. Thinner than drop-in bedliners or typical aftermarket spray-in applications, the Titan bedliner also maximizes bed volume. Available in black color only, it is the first offered by any original equipment manufacturer and is covered by the Nissan warranty.

"Because Titan is being produced at an all-new manufacturing facility, we designed the spray-in bedliner as part of the truck line at added investment of nearly $20 million dollars," said Dominique. "The spray-in bedliner gives Titan a tremendous advantage in the convenience and warranty piece of mind for owners."

The second part of the bed utility solution was the development of the Utili-track System tie-down channel system. With this system, five special "C" cross-section rails are mounted in the bed (two channels in the bed floor, and one each on the bed side rails and the bed header panel).

Removable utility cleats slide into the channels, providing an infinite range of attaching points for cargo tie-down. The channels are open at the rear of the bed, allowing the cleats to be completely removed when not in use for easy cleaning of the channels with a spray washer or garden hose.

The cleats are rated at 500 pounds (twice the industry standard) and the Utili-track System also includes 22 additional structural reinforcements to strengthen the bed, helping to accommodate the loads associated with the channel system. In addition, slide-in channel caps help prevent debris from collecting in the floor channels when not in use.

The channel system also accepts many current aftermarket accessory racks, and Nissan is developing its own extensive line of bed dividers, sliding cargo trays and modular storage units, along with bike and kayak racks and other accessories.

The Titan bed also includes four standard stake pockets and, as required, Titan carries 4x8-foot plywood sheets easily between the wheel housings.

The new Titan also features an innovative bedside storage compartment located behind the rear driver’s side wheel. The bedside storage bin is designed to hold common truck items such as work gloves, chains, rope, road flares, first aid kit or a hitch ball. The compartment is double-sealed to help prevent the intrusion of water and dust (though the compartment is not designed to be waterproof in case of submersion) and uses the Titan ignition key for locking and unlocking.

Models and Manufacturing

The 2004 Nissan Titan will be offered in King Cab and Crew Cab models in a number of trim levels to match specific buyer needs. More details will be provided as the new Titan gets closer to its on sale date. The Titan Crew Cab pickup will be shown publicly for the first time in April 2003 at the New York International Auto Show.

Titan will be one of four vehicles assembled in the Canton, Miss. facility, along with the new Nissan Quest, Nissan full-size SUV and full-size Infiniti SUV. Nissan has a longstanding reputation for building quality products in North America.

The original Smyrna, Tenn. facility, which started production in 1983, has been recognized as one of the most productive vehicle assembly plants in the U.S., winning top honors in the Harbour Reports independent rankings from 1994 - 2002. The new 3.5-million square foot Canton facility is schedule to start production in summer 2003. The Decherd, Tenn. plant, which will produce Titan's Nissan Endurance 5.6-liter V8, began production in 1997.

"The new Titan is Nissan's biggest vehicle and biggest statement yet," said Kirrane. "There's much on the line – a major financial investment, an extension of our growing brand and reputation, and our longstanding heritage of innovation and performance. Titan delivers on all accounts."

J
 
   / Drove the Titan #34  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The Nissan Titan was faster than the Ford and Chevy with 1,000 lbs in the bed when they were EMPTY of ballast. )</font>

No doughts that the Titan has an edge however this make me think the gearing is different between them. Thats why I posted my numbers with 4:10 gears. The 3:73 geared trucks I've driven are considerably slower.
 
   / Drove the Titan #35  
What I would like to see (and maybe it's been done somewhere along the way) is a long term test.

What I mean is this--do all the normal specs--o-60, braking distance, all other meaningful measures.

Then--for the next 365 days work the snot out of the trucks. I don't mean abuse them, but basically in a year's time, make them do the work and mileage that most people would do in say 5 years. Have all four trucks (Dodge, Chevy, Nissan and Ford) perform same towing, offroad, highway and city driving. During the year, keep a record of repairs, mileage, breakdowns, etc.

Then--after the year is up--re-run the initial specs such as 0-60, braking and any other tests that might change with real world use.

I honestly don't know what truck would come out on top, but I would find the info very useful if I were in the market for another half ton.

I put about 7-8000 miles on my truck each year, but with little exception, most of the miles are pulling, hauling or off road in nature.

FWIW--2000 F150 with 81,000 miles. Except for tires, brakes, plugs and other general maintainence--no repairs.

Before anyone looks at the previous 2 paragraphs and tells me my math does not compute--I also used the truck to commute the first 18 months I owned it, it has just been the last 18 months where I only use it for work/hunting/fishing.

Bob
 
   / Drove the Titan #36  
I'll give the truck it's due; it is powerful.

I wonder though, as I have not read these comparison articles,, is how the trucks were outfitted as tested. Simple tire sizes can affect acceleration. Gearing will have a big influence. Maybe one had shorter tires and lower gearing? Even the same truck Titan, or Ford ect, will pull and accelerate differently when you go from 3.55 to 3.73 to 4.11 gearing.

The comparison to the Hemi really strikes me. Maybe the Hemi had 3.23 gearing and the Titan 3.73 or something to that affect.

Or, maybe it is just more powerful... The torque numbers are pretty good.
 
   / Drove the Titan #37  
When it comes right down to it I never have believed a lot of the numbers. You look at the advertisements on TV and they twist them so much to make themselves look better. When one talks about 285 versus 300?? Big deal, I have seen engines rated at 285 for example walk all over a 300. It has a lot to do with the day it was manufactured and how it was broke in. We all have had our lemons as far as HP. Go with what you feel comfortable with and what you have had the best luck with.

Earlier in this post I told you we have monitored all of trucks in my business over the years. I asked if anyone knew which brand had the most problems. One person said he would guess Ford. Well he is wrong!! If one said Chevy they would be wrong also. If one guessed Dodge he would be wrong also. In all the records that we have kept other than a lemon here or there they all averaged the same around 90,000 miles in a three year period. Not one was better than the other. Right now out of the 43 trucks we have 75% are Ford. The rest are GM or Chevy. The reason we like the Ford is because the others will nickel and dime us where the Ford doesn't. The going down hurts me more than anything to take a vehicle off the road. I have major expenses tied to that. So I would rather have one major bill rather than a bunch of little ones.

But work is Ford, at home I drive a Suburban because of comfort. I believe the Suburban is the best traveling vehicle. The competitor Excursion was built on way to heavy of a frame and is much larger, too large for my wife.

murph
 
   / Drove the Titan
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#38  
"The comparison to the Hemi really strikes me. Maybe the Hemi had 3.23 gearing and the Titan 3.73 or something to that affect."

Again, these were according to the artical all top of the line, loaded out, every option trucks which would include the towing packages etc. If a offroad package was offered or whatever top trim was available that was on them as well.

FYI, the Dodge Laramie SLT Quad cab had a 5sp auto transmission with a 3.92 limited slip rear axle. The Nissan had a 3.36 limited slip with 5sp auto which is why it probably got the best highway gas mileage as well /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif. Yes, the Nissan had the tallest gearing--hmmm--if they offer a optional lower rear end maybe I could take it to the drag races--if I was to buy one /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif. Axles, smackshuls, any way you look at it the Titan kicked their rears. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Yep, a long term test where these trucks were used in a manner that most people use loaded out luxury/sport/family gasoline 4X4 rigs would be a great test. Like I said, numbers on a page or a stop light grand prix does not neccarily a winner make in the long term. Given the heavy duty features of the Titan, it's fully boxed frame, it's 6 bolt nitrided micro finished crank and moly pistons and other such premium features, my bet is it would aquit itself very well /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif. You can tear anything up. Drive under a bull dozer and drop a load of bricks into the bed of any of these trucks and the bed is going to be destroyed regardless of those silly Ford, Chevy and now Nissan adds /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif.
As to Hemi engines, 32Valve DOHC V8engines don't generally take to much bs from a Hemi pushrod piston slapper /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif. I would rather the "modern" OHC engine. Hemi refers to the shape of the hemispherical combustion chamber, most OHC engines have a "hemi" type shape that I have seen more or less. So, I guess the Titan is a DOHC 32 Valve V8 Hemi as well.
A fellow at work after reading the artical is working to buy one from the local dealer, I am always kinda slow on these things maybe waiting to next year or never even. I do my car shopping when I get serious on line--not on lot, safer that way /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif What is with car salesman and their fake Rolex watches and slick suits and silly jewelery anyway? /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif J
 
   / Drove the Titan #39  
One of the articles I read commented about the rear end ratio being much lower. However the equivilent drive ratio was on par with a standard 4:10 gearing that we are familiar with. Nissan must have lowered the tranny ratios to make the rollout comparable.

An actual 4:10 gear in the Titan would be a hoot to drive. They would probably have to alter the the last gear ratio or two in the tranny so your not running 4k down the highway.

You'd think the Hemi, in name only, would fair better. I'm not familiar with the specs but either the Dodge is much heavier and/or the torque/hp curve is peaky instead of flat.

I read the Nissan had 90% of its' torque available across most of the RPM range. Thats' really good.
 
   / Drove the Titan #40  
I mentioned, maybe it is just more powerful overall...

The adds do crack me up, all of them Toyota and Nissan, Ford, Chevy and Dodge. The way they show those trucks being used they would be thrashed in short time, no matter which brand.

I know about Hemi's and the head design; I was born in a Mopar /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif And, remember the Ford 427 SOHC motor /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I have believed for some time that, like our tractors, the "big-3" for full size, and "Big-3" and Toyota/Nissan, have built very equal, high quality pickups and trucks. None are ahead of the others; it is a pretty flat playing field.

The entry of the Titan is the same. The "Big-3" make fairly decent, equal pickups in the 1/2 ton market. The playing field is pretty level. Each is pretty equal; none stand out far above the others. A Purchase comes down more to brand loyalty, and minor featues. The Titan makes it a four-way now. It looks like a great truck; the others are great too.

Regarding the engine, it, like the others is a dissappointment to me. Oh sure, you have 300+/-HP from all of them. All of them(manufacturers) are using very recent to entirely new engines.

Why are those trucks still getting poor mileage? Sure, they are better than previous years, but not by much. Why doesn't this new entry, built from the ground up new, get better mileage. The technology is there. Big business??? Same for Ford/Mopar/GM...??? Here you have a 32vDOHC engine,with still mediocre mileage.

And, there are no useful hooks in the bed! You take that He-man truck and put 15 3-wire bales on the back. Now figure out how to get to those silly little hooks down in the bed!

It does though, look like a nice truck, regardless...
 

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