Duck boat tragedy "storm came out of nowhere" BS

[MossRoad]

Anyway you cut it, a vessel like that should NEVER of been able to leave the dock with ANY chance of storms coming into the area.

What I'm trying to figure out is during the first sign of the storm heading in, why didn't the "captain" of the vessel just head to land, ANY piece of land?

Get in with a crowd of panicked people and it really doesn't matter how good of a swimmer you are. First rule in rescue diving when you have your gear on is to subdue the person, THEN try to reason with them. A panicked person in water who can't swim will only take you down with them if they can grab ahold you. All those people on the boat going down... payout is going to be big, as well as it should be.

The first rule we were taught was to get the h*** away from them, assess the situation, and decide if you can make the rescue or not. Then proceed accordingly. That would be hard to do in a confined space 6-7' wide by maybe 18' filled with 30 people trying to get out.... you're doomed.

 

[Sigarms]

The first rule we were taught was to get the h*** away from them, assess the situation, and decide if you can make the rescue or not. Then proceed accordingly. That would be hard to do in a confined space 6-7' wide by maybe 18' filled with 30 people trying to get out.... you're doomed.

When you're wearing scuba gear along with a weighted belt and floatation device, go underneath them, come up, put them into a full nelson, and get get ready for a ride. People may not look panicked, but when you get up them close, that's where you don't want to be mistaken. Generally, you'll end up half drowning them into reason as they're gagging so much they lose the will to fight. Worst case, keep your distance and wait for them to come down to you.

Generally, without gear, you don't want to be in the water trying to save a person because even if they "appear" calm, behavior can change in a hurry when they have something to hold onto.

 

[Liquidsilver]

When it was recovered, it was reportedly sitting on it's wheels on the bottom. One report I saw said it even rolled on its wheels from shallower water to deeper water.

If so, then if that roof didn't restrain them, then the lack of personal flotation devices killed them all. Just stupid.

 

[ruffdog]

Duck loaded onto trailer:

Life jackets hang from duck boat canopy as investigators raise doomed vessel from Missouri lake - ABC News

 

[MossRoad]

When you're wearing scuba gear along with a weighted belt and floatation device, go underneath them, come up, put them into a full nelson, and get get ready for a ride. People may not look panicked, but when you get up them close, that's where you don't want to be mistaken. Generally, you'll end up half drowning them into reason as they're gagging so much they lose the will to fight. Worst case, keep your distance and wait for them to come down to you.

Generally, without gear, you don't want to be in the water trying to save a person because even if they "appear" calm, behavior can change in a hurry when they have something to hold onto.

Never scuba dived. Did lots of snorkeling and free diving, but never scuba.

The few rescues I had to do on big guys, I'd let them thrash it out until they were exhausted, then dive under them and come up behind them, throw a cross-chest carry on them with my left arm over their left shoulder, and grab my left hand with my right hand under their right arm pit, then hang on for the ride, like you said. I can last about 2 minutes on a breath, so hey, I can wait, right? :laughing: Eventually I can bring them up with just my legs and start talking to them. Most calm down quite a bit once you get them up on your hip and can hear you. Once you tell them it's gonna be OK and you've got them I could release my right hand and do an inverted side stroke back to shore. So much easier to swim for two people with a free arm than just your legs.

I know for a fact that I could not do that anymore for any distance at all. I just don't have the stamina to fight an even moderately sized human, let alone some muscle bound beast. Best I could do is put a float between me and the victim and hope they attack the float and I could tow them back. Maybe.

I keep a throw bag in my truck. And always take it with me when I'm ice fishing.

 

[MossRoad]

Seems like a piss poor design. I read that they are a poor compromise both as vehicle or boat. Something the Military might use once and throw away, and if some men drown, well ain't war helll. But to put into widespread tour service, just boggles my mind.

I don't remember if it was for tanks or trucks, but there was some crazy system to make them amphibious, which failed in the surf at D day, killing soldiers.

I used to have an 8WD Diesel ARGO, an amphibious vehicle. Basically a plastic vacume formed bath tub. It had no floatation and thinking about it now, I bet it would end up upside down as well if swamped.

There's quite a few stories out there on the internet relating to the ARGOs. Seems they'll swamp, or people will forget the drain plug, etc.... but as far as I can tell, they said some part of the machine is still sticking up out of the water. Didn't find any stories of them turning turtle, though. My neighbor has one. I'll ask him if he's ever sunk it next time I see him in a few weeks.

 

[PILOON]

You guys must have better weather reporting than us Canadians. In the last three months Environment Canada has issued Severe Weather Warnings. DOZENS! Not one came to fruition, at least not where I am. When the skies are clear, there is a warning. When all heck is breaking loose, wondering if a Tornado might be possible, I check the site and it says no warnings in effect. If I was a tour operator, I'd go broke if I listened to them.

I personally think climate change is responsible for our very local and violent weather events.

Well forecasting is getting better that years ago.

Back then we'd say the forecaster did not know his azz from his elbow so he'd roll up his sleeves when he'd go to the loo.

 

[PILOON]

The first rule we were taught was to get the h*** away from them, assess the situation, and decide if you can make the rescue or not. Then proceed accordingly. That would be hard to do in a confined space 6-7' wide by maybe 18' filled with 30 people trying to get out.... you're doomed.

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Notice that life guards always have a boat shaped floatation device that they keep between them and the victim.
I believe the purpose is just that, to prevent the victim from fighting the life guard.
That device is sort of shaped like a miniature surf board.

 

[Industrial Toys]

I always remembered that thing from Bay Watch. The Life Guards sure liked that thing!

I would take visitors for a tour of the farm in the ARGO and at the last minute turn into the pond. Kind of miss it.

 

[goeduck]

I always remembered that thing from Bay Watch. The Life Guards sure liked that thing!

I would take visitors for a tour of the farm in the ARGO and at the last minute turn into the pond. Kind of miss it.

I sorta remember the male lifeguards having one, but as a I recall the female lifeguards never had any clothes or anything on. At least I never saw any.