Dumb questions that deserve good answers.

[WranglerX]

Yes...Angle relationship of bucket to ground tractor is setting on with bucket full down as in float... A lot of discussion here is trying to make it something it is not... Lot of misinterpretation of the meaning of level......



In all three instances above bucket is "level" to tractor... This is what level indicator is trying to say...

Now below is where "level" indicator tells you where bucket is in relationship to ground or loading from stockpile.... Once FEL is raised off ground geometry changes and you are on strictly visual mode...



Only time a "bubble" level will have any validity is when tractor is sitting "level" to earth surface and when bucket is in position of bottom part of above image...

Dale

 

[AxleHub]

Yes...Angle relationship of bucket to ground tractor is setting on with bucket full down as in float... A lot of discussion here is trying to make it something it is not... Lot of misinterpretation of the meaning of level......

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In all three instances above bucket is "level" to tractor... This is what level indicator is trying to say...

Now below is where "level" indicator tells you where bucket is in relationship to ground or loading from stockpile.... Once FEL is raised off ground geometry changes and you are on strictly visual mode...

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Only time a "bubble" level will have any validity is when tractor is sitting "level" to earth surface and when bucket is in position of bottom part of above image...

Dale

Greetings DL,

Nice graphics on your post. Some posters have stated that a bucket level needs to be used on a surface that is level or near level to work - and that didn't make sense to me.

Next, it would seem to me that if a bucket level is designed to work to get you "level" to the tractor - it would seem that merely putting it in float position and then just a hair of upward tilt of the bucket - would be much faster and more certain than a bucket level. I would think that by far and away - users working with their fel/bucket are trying to create a level area where there is not one - hence the desire to create a ground level where one does not exist. So being merely level with the tractor wouldn't seem nearly as often desired (especially with float already possible to follow ground contours) . . . . compared to a more desired concept of creating a level area where that level area doesn't currently exist (slope or plateau or uneven ground or cutting a "flat and level" area in a pile of dirt or rocks).

 

[dnw64]

Hey Axel, it sounds like you would be most happy with a tractor controlled by a computer, where you just tell it what you want and let it figure out the best way to achieve it. Or I suppose you could also hire an experienced operator and do the same.

 

[aczlan]

Greetings DL,

Nice graphics on your post. Some posters have stated that a bucket level needs to be used on a surface that is level or near level to work - and that didn't make sense to me.

Next, it would seem to me that if a bucket level is designed to work to get you "level" to the tractor - it would seem that merely putting it in float position and then just a hair of upward tilt of the bucket - would be much faster and more certain than a bucket level. I would think that by far and away - users working with their fel/bucket are trying to create a level area where there is not one - hence the desire to create a ground level where one does not exist. So being merely level with the tractor wouldn't seem nearly as often desired (especially with float already possible to follow ground contours) . . . . compared to a more desired concept of creating a level area where that level area doesn't currently exist (slope or plateau or uneven ground or cutting a "flat and level" area in a pile of dirt or rocks).

The float is on the loader arm lift/lower circuit, not the loader curl/dump circuit.

Aaron Z

 

[WranglerX]

I guess concept I was stating was not clear, I think others may have got a misconception of what I was defining as level ... I was trying to emphasize the bucket bottom would be at its lowest possible position by using the term "float" position instead of saying dead flat on ground... Did not mean to confuse statement by using curl/dump as angle of bucket as opposed to it being in it's down position as same plane as earth tractor is sitting on.... I thought 1 picture worth 1000 word sort of explained it....

If bucket in slight curl position it's going to tend to push up by dynamic reaction of angle of bucket bottom against dirt pile... IF bucket is in slight dump angle it going to want to bite into dirt pile and push bucket down.... It is not so much what people are trying create, it how bucket angle reacts to its angle and how it attacks the material...

I may not have a lot of seat time but I became aware of bucket angles and consequences very fast ...So one of my first mods was a indicator on bucket...

Dale

 

[Budweiser John]

Flying an airplane, driving an automobile, backing up a trailer, or operating a tractor, experience is the key to becomming proficient.
Bottom line, end of discussion......

B. John

 

[ovrszd]

I think axlehub should rig up his idea and then shoot a video of him putting it into practice. Picture worth thousand words thing.

 

[WranglerX]

We could mess with more minds if we changed it to "bucket lip inclination indicator in relationship to a "grounded" bucket..... Naaah... That would be cruel....

Yes to experience is the key here, thank you Budweiser John..

Dale

 

[ovrszd]

Flying an airplane, driving an automobile, backing up a trailer, or operating a tractor, experience is the key to becomming proficient.
Bottom line, end of discussion......

B. John

I rather think comprehension is the key to becoming proficient. Friend of mine has thousands of hours on a backhoe and can't run it any better than when he started 30 years ago.

 

[AxleHub]

The float is on the loader arm lift/lower circuit, not the loader curl/dump circuit.

Aaron Z

Aczlan, I fully understand that. What I had stated was:

"it would seem that merely putting it in float position and then just a hair of upward tilt of the bucket - would be much faster and more certain than a bucket level. "

The concept is, putting it in float gets the bucket to follow the contour of the ground. Slightly tilting the bucket just a touch keeps the bucket virtually flat to the ground but not digging into the flat surface of the ground.