DX18/22/24/25E problems

newred · Jan 2, 2006

Anyone having any troubles ? After 1st year little bugs seem to be worked out but now fender shell is cracking where seat mounts to it. Dealer here had 4 to do , 2 were done last time I was in , leaving mine til spring. Seems to be same across board from light to heavier operators and residential to commercial use. Is this common problem in other areas or are we hard on our machines here ? Warranty soon be off , machine works very nice but won`t be happy to see problems continue. Dealer been 200% to work with though! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

bandit67 · Jan 3, 2006

I'm fortunate in that I too have a good dealer. I just found another break this past week - one of the metal tabs on the side engine cover that bolts into the braket near the muffler broke away, so now the cover rattles against the hood. I've had my share of broken pieces, parts, etc. on this machine - some from hard use, some from just poor design or construction. My wife's getting tired of me coming in after every 5-8 hours of use telling her of the next broken thing I found on my tractor. My dad's old early nineties Yanmar could run circles around this machine as far as durability was concerned.

Since I will be needing a larger machine at some point soon to handle additional tasks, I'm just patching this one back together until I sell it. I won't be getting another CNH product, and 2 local dealers don't have a problem with me jumping ship, as they agree they see a lot more warranty repairs with the CNH machines than the other major brand they sell.

I think CNH spent too much time putting together a great looking machine, and not enough time putting together a great working machine. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

I've had a lot of seat time on my neighbor's BX22 - it has more than twice the hours on it, and I am much more impressed with that machine than my DX24E. I used to use it for just the backhoe work, then jump onto mine for the loader work, but now, once I've got the BX running, I just use it until I'm finished with the job, while my machine sits around watching and pouting. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

IMCA38 · Jan 8, 2006

I wonder if the NH owners are having any of these same problems? As I understand it, the CIH and NH are the same tractors save to color of the paint and plastic.

Inspector507 · Jan 8, 2006

I wonder if the NH owners are having any of these same problems? 

I went through all of the posts I could find from owners of TZ models and found none of these issues mentioned.

newred · Jan 9, 2006

Part of problem is as new as DXE and TZ tractors are and great as this forum is , don`t believe there are that many owners on here.

bandit67 · Jan 9, 2006

( I wonder if the NH owners are having any of these same problems? 

I went through all of the posts I could find from owners of TZ models and found none of these issues mentioned. )

Could be a couple of reasons:

1. Blue owners don't use their machines that hard?
2. More likely, most folks don't post about the little things like I've dealt with on my machine, and would probably chock it up to breakage due to use. I probably wouldn't make much of a deal of it either if it weren't for the fact that I am able to make a side-by-side comparison between two sub compacts by two different manufacturers, both machines that I considered very seriously when shopping. I can't help but put the 2 machines up against one another as a result of my use of them both.

But if I wasn't able to use another manufacturer's machine to compare to, I most likely would be preparing myself to purchase a DX29, instead of a B3030. I still think that the Case machines are sharp looking and ergonomically well suited to me, and although I would prefer to stick with red, (and the DX29 seems to still be able to lure me into its clutches, so to speak) there's a little voice inside that says to go orange with the next machine. That's not to say that I won't find some of the weak points in a B3030, but I think that changing brands is the way I need to go with my next purchase.

I do know this, whatever I find with my next machine, I'll give honest feedback, whether good or bad. I think I've outgrown my brand loyal days, as I've found that over time, any manufacturer can have a shift in quality be it good or bad, whether domestic or foreign.

And I'm also not saying that I hate my little DX24E - it's still my baby, I will miss it when it's gone, and I'm not in a big rush to get rid of it. It'd just be nice to maybe not have to deal with all of the minor inconveniences so often.

mgeight · Jan 10, 2006

Just wondering what the dealers are doing about the problem with the fender where the seat bracket mounts. I have a DX24E and just happen to see your post with the seat, went to check my tractor and sure enough the fender was cracking where the front two brackets mount. I have 100 hrs. on mine no problems just had to take it in for minor adjustments on hydraulic pto slipping.

JSUnlimited · Jan 10, 2006

I have a NH TC24DA and I have had a problem with the seat mount. It did not break at the fenders though, it broke right under the seat.

Here's a link to the post:

TC24DA broken seat....time for a diet?

Hope this helps. No other problems so far, tweaked the injection pump a little for some more balls going up hills and added a vertical exhaust to keep soot from blowing all over loader arms and into my face. Good luck.

JSUnlimited · Jan 10, 2006

Opps, here's what I meant to post...the dealer fix!

TC24 Seat Mount.

bandit67 · Jan 12, 2006

Yeah but your compact TC is not the same machine as the Subcompact TZ/DXE models that are being discussed in this thread. So your seat mount fixes/issues are different than on our machines.

JSUnlimited · Jan 12, 2006

Okay...since I don't your brand/models I'll stick to my own board.....just trying to help.

newred · Jan 12, 2006

/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Actually , looked at pictures in link , and problem and dealer repair look like my dealer was talking about. I agree New Holland TZ and CaseIH DXE are different than their bigger counter parts but not that much . I was mainly wondering about this seat mount cracking but seeing as bigger models do it as well seems to be a common design weakness. Thanks for your input! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

JonL · Jan 13, 2006

I just traded in my TZ-24. I had it about 1 1/2 years and used it mainly for mowing. It had about 80 hours on it when the body panal below the seat mount fatigued. I will write a review on the tractor soon. We ended up trading for a TC-23 which should have most of the bugs worked out. The reason we stayed with NH was a very good dealer and actually NH worked with me to get a very good deal, better than advertised, on financing. The TC-23 is our 5th NH tractor. My experiance with NH is that the company has been responsive and works to make things right, as does our dealer, Brim Tractor. I also own a 1530.

I think you will see the same problems on the TZ models as the DXE models. I think the tractors aren't bad. They are laid out well. If the seat issues and other small problems are addressed, then they should be pretty good little tractors. I think one problem that is going on is people asking these tractors to do more than they are designed to do. After all, these tractors are basically heavy duty garden tractors, not compact tractors. Some of the problems may be with the manfacturer in equipping these tractors with backhoes, loaders, and other PTO implements which are better suited on a compact tractor.

newred · Jan 13, 2006

/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif Probably work my 24DXE harder than even a compact tractor should be . I am very pleased with its performance. I joke with service manager - he bought a 22DXE this summer that he must be hired as test dept. for CaseIH . He says he`s had it on steep enough side hill for front & rear tires to spin on uphill side of tractor enough that tractor stops moviing forward as neither tire has enough traction to move tractor. Just about steep enough I`d say ! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

JSUnlimited · Jan 13, 2006

newred,

First of all you are welcome...I've learned so much from this forum and hopefully this give you some ideas.

As far as the hills and use, I probably should have bought a TC33DA, but we bought the BH and put it on the 0%/60mo. hard to say no when the wife was for it! I traded a 17hp. Kubota for it. I am very happy with the TC24 though, does everything I want to do. Wife is pretty good with me buying implements, so I've been able to get quite a collection. I joke with the guys at work that it's my "diesel powered swiss army knife."

Good luck with the seat issue!

bandit67 · Jan 16, 2006

I was just trying to point out the fact that the subcompacts and compact you own are different - I've seen a lot of confusion between TC and TZ and DX and DXE, both on these forums and at dealer service depts. Didn't know if you realized that the DXE's were the sub size - didn't mean to offend you. CNH should differentiate their model numbers a bit more.

There are a lot of differences between the CNH subcompacts and compact machines. From what I've seen, the compacts are built a lot sturdier, but as far as I'm concerned, the constant little issues are annoying. I certainly wouldn't trade my Case sub for another brand's exact same sub, but since I ultimately want to up-size, I'm going for another color this time around. Kind of annoyed that an email of mine to CNH went completely unanswered.

I honestly haven't heard a lot of gripes about CNH products, but when 2 dealers tell me that they have a brand that outsells CNH compact products, and still see a higher volume of CNH products in the service dept, then that's good enough for me to try another brand next go around.

bandit67 · May 2, 2006

By the way, I recently checked the seat mount, and noticed I too have the cracked sheet metal. Trying to decide if I should just leave it, or get the machine in to the shop for a few weeks to get it fixed. I have till the 3rd week of June to make up my mind. This sucks - my new lawn has been needing mowing every 5-6 days, and I don't want to do the whole lawn with my little 20" push mower for a few weeks.

newred · May 3, 2006

/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif A few weeks in shop to fix sheetmetal under seat c? My dealer had new fenders ordered in ahead of time, and new updated bracket for fenders/seat from CNH but they don`t believe this new updated brackets are stiff enough so they have a local welding shop fab up a few larger/heavier ones up as I believe they have done 6 or so so far.Must have a problem with your dealer , I dropped mine off at 7 am & picked it up at 1 pm with full annual service done as well .As I was talking to service manager, salesman washed it and as I hooked on my trailer which I had left in their yard, sevice manager washed it for me. I`m thinking if you had dealer like this you`d see nothing but red as you thought of trading up! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

bandit67 · May 4, 2006

Newred,

My dealer has not had any other customers call in with this problem yet. The service manager was looking up in a couple of different Case computer service links, and found nothing about it. He'd be willing to order all the parts in before I take it up there (they're an hour away), but wants to be sure he gets all of the parts in at the same time, so that I don't have to get it in twice if it turns out they find something else that needs to be fixed once they get ahold of my machine. There's really no way to know what is on my machine without looking at it vs. what is on a brand new one, as manufacturing is constantly making changes and updates.

He's going to try to find out more about it, but asked me to also see if I can get any more specifics on what parts your dealer needed to order and change out on your machine. Are there new/additional reinforcing pieces that fit under the sheet metal?

They don't sell a lot of the little red machines, just a ton of huge red tractors and lots of orange in the smaller models.

Any more info you could provide would be a big help.

Thanks.

bandit67 · May 10, 2006

Never mind, one of the mechanics stopped by yesterday when they were in town and looked at my tractor to see what they needed to order. They haven't had one other DXE or TZ with this problem.