Educate me on having cattle

   / Educate me on having cattle #131  
What would I do????

Sell everything expect for the cattle you can easily handle at your place. After a year you can decide if raising beef makes sense.
What I would add to this good advice is to buy the 40 acres. Keep the cattle on there. Sell the bull calves and the breeding bull. You can "probably" reasonably expect to run about 10 Mama cows on 40 acres if there is good grass. Look into artificial insemination instead of a $3500 bull for that number of cows.

The 40 ac I guess is already peremiter fenced and maybe cross fenced. Yours is not. This is just a start but you'll do fine. Go to the A&M Pasture Management course they have at Overton. It's well woth the cost and time if you are going to raise cows.
 
   / Educate me on having cattle #132  
On animals that are handled every day, maybe.
The Angus on the farm, no way in heck.
When you do catch that new calf you had better have someone else with you with a good cane to keep that cow from climbing all over you.
Probably need more than a cane. Ive seen mama cows jump out of a trailer to get to their calves.
 
   / Educate me on having cattle #133  
On animals that are handled every day, maybe.
The Angus on the farm, no way in heck.
When you do catch that new calf you had better have someone else with you with a good cane to keep that cow from climbing all over you.
Why do you put up with cattle like that? It is plain stupid. When i was a kid my Dad and older brother kept a few like that but my nephews just said no. No cow is worth what your hospital bills would be. My nephews run 850 head and if they have one that acts wrong in any way she is gone. Bulls are the same - not worth it. I can tell you absolutely assinine stories of people and problems with bulls but I look back I ask why - there was just as good of bull down the road and they were not that way. If it is a business treat it like one, if they are pets enjoy them - but in neither case should there be any risk.

The only time I can remember someone getting hurt directly by a an animal on our farm is one time my Dad got squeezed by a bull. We were taking them to the pasture for breeding season and we put two bulls in the stock trailer. One had a little foot rot and my Dad wanted to give him a shot of anitbiotic while we had him contained. My Dad steps into the stock trailer and jams a needle in the bulls butt. The bull tries to turn around in the trailer but it was only 6' wide and Dad wasn't paying attention and the side of the bull's butt squeezed him into the side of the trailer and bruised a few ribs. If your animals are not that tame that you can give them shots in a small pen you are doing something wrong.

One of the problems with Angus is that they are black and therefore have been crossed with everything under the sun and are still called **** by unethical breeders. It is worth it to have reputable breeding in your animals so you know what you are getting.
 
   / Educate me on having cattle #134  
Why do you put up with cattle like that? It is plain stupid. When i was a kid my Dad and older brother kept a few like that but my nephews just said no. No cow is worth what your hospital bills would be. My nephews run 850 head and if they have one that acts wrong in any way she is gone. Bulls are the same - not worth it. I can tell you absolutely assinine stories of people and problems with bulls but I look back I ask why - there was just as good of bull down the road and they were not that way. If it is a business treat it like one, if they are pets enjoy them - but in neither case should there be any risk.

The only time I can remember someone getting hurt directly by a an animal on our farm is one time my Dad got squeezed by a bull. We were taking them to the pasture for breeding season and we put two bulls in the stock trailer. One had a little foot rot and my Dad wanted to give him a shot of anitbiotic while we had him contained. My Dad steps into the stock trailer and jams a needle in the bulls butt. The bull tries to turn around in the trailer but it was only 6' wide and Dad wasn't paying attention and the side of the bull's butt squeezed him into the side of the trailer and bruised a few ribs. If your animals are not that tame that you can give them shots in a small pen you are doing something wrong.

One of the problems with Angus is that they are black and therefore have been crossed with everything under the sun and are still called **** by unethical breeders. It is worth it to have reputable breeding in your animals so you know what you are getting.
Well we may be doing something wrong, that is possible. We have only had either milk or beef cows since my grandfather got out of the creamery bussiness and started dairy farming in the early 1900's however...
I seriously doubt that someone running 850 head can have animals this tame,
"If your animals are not that tame that you can give them shots in a small pen you are doing something wrong."
 
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The goal is to keep the land. I've spoken to his loan officer about taking over the loan, getting a new loan, and paying it off in cash. All are options that I'm considering.

I do not want to drive 62 miles each way to deal with cattle. The fences are doing the job for right now, but they are rusted out pretty bad in places, overgrown in other places, and patched together all over the place. There used to be three pastures, but the wire is down, or missing in areas. The T posts are rusted out, bent and for some reason, really short.

Going back and forth takes too much time. I make my money remodeling homes and it's costing me money just taking the time to go there. I'm trying to get it down to just once a week to get through winter, but I have been going every other day to take care of his dog and all the ducks. The dog is at my place now and the ducks are almost gone. There are 6 cows on his place now, the others are at his friends ranch, where they are going to be sold. I do not think we'll sell any at the Livestock Auction.

Long term plan for the land is to clean it up, make it as nice looking as possible, and maybe get some hay off of it. I can sell hay there, or haul some of it to my place. He has a 30x40 shop that I could store hay in, which would make it even better.

My wife has put a few hurdles in front of my to get done before I concentrate on the fence. She wants the fencing changed for our dogs. I gave her the idea, so it's my fault, but it's a good change that should be done, so I'm good with getting it done. She also wants the garage addition made weather tight. Another thing that I agree on. We desperately need more storage with all my brothers stuff here. My shop is so full that we have to walk a winding path to get through it. The piles are crazy, but we don't have any choice because it would all be stolen if we left it there. I'm planning on ordering the metal for the roof of our garage addition this week. It's 30x52, and attached to the side of my shop, which is attached to the house, so it's going to be a big improvement for us. I'm just going to install the metal R panels for the roof, put OSB on the walls and wrap it in house wrap, then start on the fencing. I can always add Hardie a little at a time once the house wrap is up.

Once the cattle are here, then I will start on the barn. I may change my mind on that, it really depends on how tired I am of driving out there, and if they have calved yet or not.

I'm also liking the idea of fence line feeders for round bales a lot. I've been watching them on YouTube, and being able to put a round bale out for the, but not having to deal with them at the gate as I go through it would be great. I also like the idea of putting a roof over the hay, and having it on concrete. I also want to have concrete around it so the animals are not in mud. If I do it right, I should be able to scrape the concrete clean a few times a year without too much trouble.

This is also the plan with the barn. It's not to shelter the animals, but they can use it if they want out of the weather, but it's more to provide us a place to feed them and for my wife and I to be safe, dry and as comfortable as possible.

None of what I'm doing is designed to make us money. I fully understand that I'm going to spend more money on the land, fencing, barns, feeders, and handling system, then I'll ever make back in selling them. Same thing with my goats, horses, and chickens. It's just how we want to live our life, and we work so we can afford to live the best life we can. It's even worse with our dogs!!! :)

I'll have to take a better picture of the garage, but this is the best that I have right now.

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   / Educate me on having cattle #136  
Well we may be doing something wrong, that is possible. We have only had either milk or beef cows since my grandfather got out of the creamery bussiness and started dairy farming in the early 1900's however...
I seriously doubt that someone running 850 head can have animals this tame,
"If your animals are not that tame that you can give them shots in a small pen you are doing something wrong."
You may seriously doubt it and they may not be able to give a shot in a pen with all of them with as much Angus as he has in the herd - they just are not quite as docile as Herefords. But if you have the herd in a corral you can walk among them and may have to slap them on the butt to get them to move. They certainly are not pets though - they spend their life on the range and are only fed when during about 3 months in the winter - otherwise they are on their own.

I have never been around dairy bulls but I have always heard that you never trust them.

One time when i was a kid probably 7 or so i walked out in the small corral where we had some of our old bulls in the spring when they wanted to lose some hair. I walked up to this one old bull and started to scratch his back. He is obviously enjoying it and starts to wiggle back and forth and side to side. He was one of those Herefords with a perfect set of horns - curved downward but nice and wide. He was probably 5 or 6 years old at this time. Well he liked me scratching him so reached up with the other hand and was scratching his back with both hands and he really starts getting into it. Suddenly one of his horns hooks me around the middle and he tosses me 10-12 feet and I landed on some dried out rough corral dirt. I wake up to him nuzzling me and licking me - I am sure he was wondering why I stopped scratchign him. he probably did not even know he had thrown me. Our bulls were that tame and we had about 40 at that time. I have walked up to some of my nephews' bulls out in the pasture - not when they are with cows - in the same way.
 

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