elastic or plastic?

jinman · Dec 19, 2003

It sure looks like a "copy" to me. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

BillG_in_TX · Dec 19, 2003

It looks like nomad works for: AGRITURK in Aksehir, Turkey. I guess they are looking to manufacture a rotary cutter.

Maybe solid tires are better than laminated in Turkey? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

nomad · Dec 19, 2003

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My point here is that you asked for honest opinions, and many folks have given their opinion, but you seem to doubt their sincerity. )

Jinman, I'm sincere and these folks are sincere, no doubt about that. We are learning here and learning is an interaction. I really wanted to know laminated tire or solid tire. Why? Because I read/saw somewhere on the net (I can't remember now - Rhino or someone else?) that they also offer solid tires as well as laminated tires. Theoretically, solid tire should not be a problem, but you know the theories are for smooth spaces or for approximated spaces/surfaces. Real experiences like in the cutter use in the field becomes more important as irregularities in the field can't be easily theoretically formulated. Therefore, I asked folks here who have experienced their cutters for years. Now, I learned that no one here favors solid tires in the rotary cutters. Thanks to the folks here.

As for repainted or not; Well, it's a painted re-bent re-form. I may re-form it again easily if I don't like. I had seen another great one which was in green (was it of Midwest's?.) But the great simplicity and utilitarian view of that cutter form I currently have fits my current need perfectly enough. How did I re-form this cutter? Well, whole story is that; I have transformed it from the image-inary space to the real space by a functional relation coupled with the Lie Symmetry group theory. (lol, was a pure semi-theoretical explanation.) Anyways, do you think I can't do such a simple work? Well, you don't know me. I come from a family with a long background of culture of hand made natural fine arts (i.e. weaving.) For a person who knows how to make beautiful knots, such a simple metal knotting like cutters must not be a hard works, musn't it?;-) [ps: see an example/attached of such a fine art piece with some knots of mine; I name it: "From ColorS to Color" throughout the farming history"] Ps: By the way, did you know that the first human-made product in farming field was rug/weaving, i.e. knotted goat/sheep hairs. Enjoy.

markct · Dec 19, 2003

hmm, sure looks like he "built his own" brushog with no tools other than a paint brush, or if he did infact build it from raw steel then i would say he copied it part for part from a king kutter, so i realy dont see what will be so great about his cutter, its a design that is already redily available, at a reasonable price, and with good parts availability, whats gona make anyone buy one from nomad rather than KK or TSC, i know that no matter how thick headed the people at my local TSC are they are still usualy easier to get a point across to than nomad is.

TresCrows · Dec 19, 2003

Well, I have considered building my own cutter and after owning a KK cutter I assure all that will listen, I cannot imagine a poorer piece of equipment. I could design a better cutter in about 5 minutes, my 6yo niece could design a better cutter. The KK cutter is dang near junk level engineering as far as I am concerned. If he copied a KK is he ever in for a surprise /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif.
Laminite vs solid. I hate the laminate tire because in conjunction with the junky KK engineering it gouges the hades out of my soil /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif. If I were building a cuttter, I would find myself an aircraft tire, preferably something off a biz jet. They can handle thousands of lbs of weight, tremendous impact and high speeds--like 200 plus. I don't think a laminate tire would last very long at 200 MPH after being slammed to the tarmac with max braking applied.
I would build a top link that incorporated a shock strut to allow flex and prevent excessive--DANGEROUS kickback. I think mine would have a rear cutting exhaust rather than a front one like the KK--is that like stupid or what. I also would probably have twin tail wheels, a front and side anti-scalp roller as well. The KK A-frame--exactly what kind of compact tractor was that monstrosity designed for--dare I use the word designed?
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b6200hst · Dec 20, 2003

TresCrows, didn't you just describe a finish mower, not a brushhog? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

rdam · Dec 20, 2003

I have a Bushhog brand "squealer" which is their light duty model. It appears stout and well built. It is certainly quieter than my prvious "Agri four". With little experience, I purchased the Bushhog based on input from TBN members.

So, why is the KingKutter poorly made in comparison to the BushHog?

jinman · Dec 20, 2003

( I don't think a laminate tire would last very long at 200 MPH after being slammed to the tarmac with max braking applied.
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I tried to get my tractor up to 200 MPH once, but 189 MPH was all I could make before the wind rolled my lips back and turned my face inside-out. Ouch! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

TresCrows, you are a funny guy. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

DK35vince · Dec 20, 2003

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So, why is the KingKutter poorly made in comparison to the BushHog? )

After using my previous John Deere brush mower ,my dads Bushhog Squealer and my current King Kutter brush mower and noticing very little differance in the way they work or cut I have the same question /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

jmc · Dec 20, 2003

I mounted 4 video cameras under my brush hog deck (one in each corner) so I know when the blade hits something big. I mounted the monitors on the hood. If you keep your eyes on the monitor while driving, you'll always know.

Monday, I'm ordering two more video cameras for the front of the tractor, along with my new grill and oilpan.

TresCrows · Dec 20, 2003

"So, why is the KingKutter poorly made in comparison to the BushHog? "

I don't know, I don't have a BrushHog brand unit to compare to. All I know is that I had to modiffy the frame to mount to the Kubota B2410 which is the same size as many other small compacts. The frame is also very weak. The unit does not have chains, the top link pivot link is strange, the geometry of the frame is incorrect for small tractors, the laminaite tire leaves ruts when I turn.
No--what I described is a multipurpose cutter, nothing I put in my wish list would prevent it from brushcutting or mowing a field. Many brushcutters have dual wheels. Oh, the support for the wheel is weak as well and bascially pretty poor in design and bends easily. J

nomad · Dec 20, 2003

( hmm, sure looks like he "built his own" brushog with no tools other than a paint brush, .... so i realy dont see what will be so great about his cutter, its a design that is already redily available, at a reasonable price,... )

Believe it or not. I didn't use a paint brush only... Whats so great about my cutter? It, a better quality, costed me much cheaper. However, I'm not advicing you to make it there because probably your cost will be much higher.

markct · Dec 20, 2003

so what makes it any better than a KK, looks like the same design, the KK isnt a great brushog, but yours looks to be the same unless it is heavier gauge or whatever, in which case if you plan to sell them as "better than KK" i would make sure it didnt look so exactly alike, otherwise most will just assume its identicle

HayDR · Dec 20, 2003

Why does a man that does not have a tractor or farm, need a rotary cutter without a gearbox? I know he uses it for Truffle hunting.

nomad · Dec 20, 2003

How do you know that that I don't have a farm and a tractor?
Gearbox is to be bought in a week or two. I have a friend who's making many many gearboxes from those for rotary cutters to rotary rakes to fertilizer spreaders to interrow cultivators, etc etc to many implements.

Markct, as I said, my cost is much cheaper. Isn't this only a great advantage for me to make my cutter here.

HayDR · Dec 20, 2003

You friend's name? Is his first name Pieter? or is it Haldun?

nomad · Dec 20, 2003

You claim to know I don't have a farm and a tractor.
So, you claim you know everythings.
I lost $1541. Do you know also where it is?
Yes, yes.. you probably know.

You must also know who they are. You are asking me who my friend in Turkay is?

Ps: I look again at your web site and saw your logo. I thought you were wanting to be "on target" - Seems that you are changing the Target from "elastic or plastic" to Nomad.

MossRoad · Dec 20, 2003

Addressed to eveyone on this thread...

Let's get back to the original topics, please....

Should the height of the cutter be flexible according to the shape of the ground surface, and/or what's preferrable, a solid or pneumatic tire?

Thanks. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

rambler · Dec 23, 2003

1. I'm not buying any mower that is designed to last less than 10 years.

2. Aired tires pop with side-loads unless they have inner tubes, and no one does that any more - too expensive. Even then, they get a lot of flats because they run in a tough enviornment.

3. Solid tires do not stand up to sunlight & the elements for very long unless they are _very_ expensive. I would view a solid tire as the worst of the three choices. The aired tire I can at least add a tube at my expense or patch. The solid tire is just bad all the way around. When it chunks out, it is shot & worthless.

4. Laminated tire looks the worst, lasts the longest most of the time. If formed with sharp edges (and cheap ones are) it can gouge the ground as someone mentioned. But it's still the best choice of tire to last 10 years or more, and that is what I would look for. This for a brush hog, not a finishing mower so I don't mind the rougher handling of the ground anyhow. It doesn't hurt at all that it uses an old tire & saves some landfill space, and might be cheaper. The point is it lasts longer with the least maintenence, and _that_ is why I would want it. Perhaps they are harder to source in Turkey, but no matter to me - I was asked which is better for the end user, not the builder. Laminated are better because they last longer with less maintenence. That's very simple, I don't see the issue here, or why I was questioned on it?

5. My opinion, so it is right for me.

--->Paul

markct · Dec 23, 2003

well i agree that a laminated tire would be my first choice, i agree that solid tires chunk and crack. the only thing that i have to say about solid tires is that our old ford brush hog has a solid tire that is the original tire acording to my father, the cutter was owned by the neighbors across the street since the early 60s and while everything else has been welded up or replaced, including the gearbox, the tire has still held up. it is worn thru in the center and the hollow air pocket inside has split open so it has basicly a big groove down the center, but it still is on the rim and still works just fine. with this said, i still would not buy a new cutter with a solid tire, todays rubber just doesnt resist sunlight as well as older rubber seemed to. it seems that i see so many tire that are 40 years old and have less cracks than many tires that are 5 or 6 years old. my fathers ford NAA has one tire on it that is from the 70s or maybe earlier, and the other one was replaced about 8 years ago, well the one from 8 years ago has as many, if not more, cracks as the older one