Electric car -- A different thought

[SamWalton]

I found a company which claims to get you "5 times your current gas mileage". Their device is called the Pre Ignition Catalytic Converter. It looks to be a simple install but is not available for all engines yet. I am waiting on a quote and availablity. Their second product, the Hydro Assist Fuel Cell is available but don't look worth the trouble.

Check out their web site
Engine Modification
I am wondering if the Pre Ignition Catalytic Converter will ever be available and that it may be a bate and switch.

 

[RonMar]

I found a company which claims to get you "5 times your current gas mileage". Their device is called the Pre Ignition Catalytic Converter. It looks to be a simple install but is not available for all engines yet. I am waiting on a quote and availablity. Their second product, the Hydro Assist Fuel Cell is available but don't look worth the trouble.

Check out their web site
Engine Modification
I am wondering if the Pre Ignition Catalytic Converter will ever be available and that it may be a bate and switch.

Sounds like BS to me. 5 times the economy? Thermodynamics are what they are, and the process just isn't going to get significantly more efficient IMO. I am a pretty simple guy, but I just don't think that is possible with the same machine, no matter how much you break down the fuel molecules.

IMO, this sounds like a variation of the fuel line magnet scam(molecular re-alignment?), but YMMV...

As for the Hydrogen assist fuel cell, they say it "cracks" the hydrogen and oxygen from distilled water. First of all, where does the distilled water come from, that isn't free...
It takes about 4 times the ammount of energy to crack water into it's component gasses, than you get out of those gasses. This is something that those pushing the "hydrogen economy" don't readilly advertise.

In the case of a car, where does the energy to crack the hydrogen come from? From the electrical system and alternator which is only about 50% efficient at turning torque into electricity in the first place... So you draw from a 50% efficient system, increasing the load on the engine and burning more fuel, to power a less than 25% efficient process. I don't think the added benefits(if any) will make up for this horrible conversion efficiency...

There is no free lunch.

 

[SamWalton]

Sounds like BS to me. 5 times the economy? Thermodynamics are what they are, and the process just isn't going to get significantly more efficient IMO. I am a pretty simple guy, but I just don't think that is possible with the same machine, no matter how much you break down the fuel molecules.

IMO, this sounds like a variation of the fuel line magnet scam(molecular re-alignment?), but YMMV...

As for the Hydrogen assist fuel cell, they say it "cracks" the hydrogen and oxygen from distilled water. First of all, where does the distilled water come from, that isn't free...
It takes about 4 times the ammount of energy to crack water into it's component gasses, than you get out of those gasses. This is something that those pushing the "hydrogen economy" don't readilly advertise.

In the case of a car, where does the energy to crack the hydrogen come from? From the electrical system and alternator which is only about 50% efficient at turning torque into electricity in the first place... So you draw from a 50% efficient system, increasing the load on the engine and burning more fuel, to power a less than 25% efficient process. I don't think the added benefits(if any) will make up for this horrible conversion efficiency...

There is no free lunch.

Super-Efficient Electrolysis. Water can be broken into hydrogen and oxygen using electricity. Standard chemistry books claim that this process requires more energy than can be recovered when the gases are recombined. This is true only under the worst case scenario. When water is hit with its own molecular resonant frequency, using a system developed by Stan Meyers (USA) and again recently by Xogen Power, Inc., it collapses into hydrogen and oxygen gas with very little electrical input. Also, using different electrolytes (additives that make the water conduct electricity better) changes the efficiency of the process dramatically. It is also known that certain geometric structures and surface textures work better than others do. The implication is that unlimited amounts of hydrogen fuel can be made to drive engines (like in your car) for the cost of water. Even more amazing is the fact that a special metal alloy was patented by Freedman (USA) in 1957 that spontaneously breaks water into hydrogen and oxygen with no outside electrical input and without causing any chemical changes in the metal itself. This means that this special metal alloy can make hydrogen from water for free, forever.

 

[RonMar]

Well you just go right on believing that if you want to Sam. Funny that if it is "Free", that there are not more people using this almost magical technology. These things get a lot of talk, untill someone goes to verify it, then everything gets real quiet...

Me, I think I will use my meager resources elsewhere untill something a little more verifiable comes along...

Wanna do something more efficient? look into recovering energy from the waste heat in the cooling system and the exhaust system. That is where about 2/3 of the energy in the gas you burn goes.

Untill proven otherwise, there is still NO free lunch...

 

[MossRoad]

I found a company which claims to get you "5 times your current gas mileage". Their device is called the Pre Ignition Catalytic Converter. It looks to be a simple install but is not available for all engines yet. I am waiting on a quote and availablity. Their second product, the Hydro Assist Fuel Cell is available but don't look worth the trouble.

Check out their web site
Engine Modification
I am wondering if the Pre Ignition Catalytic Converter will ever be available and that it may be a bate and switch.

Sounds like snake oil. Don't buy it until you see it in use for yourself by someone you trust. Don't be a sucker. Have you ever, ever seen anyone that you know turn a 25 MPG car into a 125MPG car by simply installing one, simple device? Nope.

With that said, it never hurts to research the subject thoroughly, as long as it is not at your expense. Just read up on it, and let someone else take the chances until it becomes a standard, well accepted product.

 

[SamWalton]

The Super-Efficient Electrolysis is a reality. You ask the question why it is not in every home. As I attempted to state on this thread previously but my post was deleted by mikepa. It is very simple, he who has the gold rules. In my opinion all designs and technologies which would free the common man from purchasing energies will be suppressed. Many open minded people have turned their backs to the mainstream and developed new technologies in there own garages. Many things we all enjoy today were conceived this way. One must also understand any threat to the money and power will be removed, such as any device which could be mass produced to free the common man from purchasing energy. You can believe anything you want but one day you will get tired of working for something that is free.

 

[MossRoad]

The Super-Efficient Electrolysis is a reality. You ask the question why it is not in every home. As I attempted to state on this thread previously but my post was deleted by mikepa. It is very simple, he who has the gold rules. In my opinion all designs and technologies which would free the common man from purchasing energies will be suppressed. Many open minded people have turned their backs to the mainstream and developed new technologies in there own garages. Many things we all enjoy today were conceived this way. One must also understand any threat to the money and power will be removed, such as any device which could be mass produced to free the common man from purchasing energy. You can believe anything you want but one day you will get tired of working for something that is free.

I'm all for you spending your money on it and reporting back to us how it works out. Sounds like you have your mind made up, so go for it. Looking forward to your report.

 

[RonMar]

Sam, you better hurry and order one before this one gets "supressed" also...

 

[SamWalton]

I don't have my mind made up on anything and I don't care to save the world. Also if I were to have success with such a device I would keep it under my hat. I do find it interesting how many people think nothing is possible unless they see it on TV or some other media outlet. The world is no longer flat and many other things in your head are there for a reason, this doesn't make it true. The truth is revisionary and constantly evolving and may never be completely understood. The Pre Ignition Catalytic Converter is something I found interesting because it is unusual for a company to produce such a device. I certainly have my doubts. Myself I plan on being off the grid and free of gas soon. As for being suppressed anyone without an open mind is already there.

 

[MikePA]

The Super-Efficient Electrolysis is a reality. You ask the question why it is not in every home. As I attempted to state on this thread previously but my post was deleted by mikepa.

Your post was deleted because it was political, not because you were attempting to explain anything.