Electric car -- A different thought

[Tom_H]

The Super-Efficient Electrolysis is a reality.

Someone has talked you into a belief system. You are not looking at the science. The law of the preservation of mass and energy prevents what you are claiming from being possible. Sub-atomic mass, at its most basic level, smaller than quarks, actually consists of packets of energy.

The bonds that hold hydrogen and oxygen together cannot be broken by any of these absurd means that someone has brainwashed you into "believing". (Some religious zealots still believe the Earth is flat and the center of the universe. Arguing with them is pointless.) Electrolysis is an endothermic or endergonic reaction. You cannot break the bonds without the energy input. This is a matter of science, not a matter of belief. When Hydrogen and Oxygen bond, the reaction is exothermic. The same amount of energy has to be put back into the molecule to break it. Since electrolysis is not 100% efficient, more energy is required to break the bonds than is given off when they are created. I used to teach both Chemistry and Physics. I am not trying to be unkind to you, but the plain simple truth is that you have no earthly clue whatsoever as to what you are talking about. You have been reading fiction, and have come to believe what has been fed to you in a hoax. This is not like theologians debating pre-millinealism vs. post-millinealism or predestination vs. free will, or eternal security vs. falling from grace. All that is in the realm of metaphysics. This issue lies in the realm of science. There is no verifiable, repeatable, peer-reviewed, controlled laboratory research in existence anywhere to support all this nonsense you espouse.

 

[RonMar]

It is kind of funny, or sad, the links that now come up at the top of this thread.

"Run your car on water" and "Hydrogen car kit"... I guess Hydrogen is one of those buzz words that triggers the search engine.

A better way may come along one of these days, but these are not it. Untill such time, based on my hard won knowledge, I will remain skeptical untill someone can actually reproduce and offer independent confirmation.

Making hydrogen gas has been pretty throughly explored to make rocket fuel and the energies involved are enormous converting from whatever resource to hydrogen...

These vendors sell based on a dream and wishfull thinking, both of which are usually contrary to the actual science involved.

True knowledge is usually gained from someone who is NOT trying to sell you something...

 

[SamWalton]

QUOTE Tom_H "I used to teach both Chemistry and Physics."

Tom H is it possible you may be a left brain prisoner. You must admit, there is much to be discovered and to put such faith in out dated education. Maybe you could open you mind to consider the possibilities. After all it is those who defy the masses who make the discoveries, not the one who choose to criticize. Unless you have researched and tried these methods you are just spouting the same old. Also as long as we all maintain these attitudes no one will ever advance. When it comes to a solution to the energy crises don't rely on the corporations. Unless they have got you wallet there is no reason to do business

 

[Wayne County Hose]

When it comes to a solution to the energy crises don't rely on the corporations. Unless they have got you wallet there is no reason to do business

Boy, as a small businessman, I have to disagree. Any corporation that could come up with a solution to the energy crisis would quickly find their stock values increasing far beyond computation. They would be Nobel Prize winners, rich beyond comprehension, etc. Isn't that what all good capitalists strive for?

 

[SamWalton]

Boy, as a small businessman, I have to disagree. Any corporation that could come up with a solution to the energy crisis would quickly find their stock values increasing far beyond computation. They would be Nobel Prize winners, rich beyond comprehension, etc. Isn't that what all good capitalists strive for?

Maybe you didn't comprehend my last statement "Unless they have got you wallet there is no reason to do business" This means until they find a way to package such a system which will allow them to profit and control energy resources they will have nothing to do with it. Unless you think any corporation is foolish enough to go against the big bucks of the oil industry we will be waiting for a new kind of gas pump possibly one you pay with your sweat or blood.

 

[Tom_H]

We advance through scientific research in a laboratory. It is you who is trapped, trapped in believing in fantasy. These formulas follow Einstein's Theory of General Relativity. You cannot just knock the atoms of the molecule apart, then allow them to combine and give off all that exothermic energy all over again. Energy has to be put into the system before it can be released from the system.

This is not about me not believing what may be possibly discovered in the future. Your statements about being closed minded are very naive. You have not seen me say anywhere that amazing things will not be discovered in the future. This is about you repeating untested theories (actually, they have been tested and shown to be untrue) that someone else has convinced you to believe as truth. You claim this stuff is "reality". It is not reality. It has never been done. There is no research anywhere proving it has been done. There are just charlatans making up a theory and claiming that it is truth. A hypothesis only becomes truth through rigorous scientific testing and verification. "Believing" something does not make it true. One can believe in Oz, Wonderland, Narnia, and such places. Just because they exist in the mind of a writer, does not make them real.

All kinds of new things will be discovered in the future. Those accepted as true will have been verified by scientific research, not by debate using syllogistic or dialectic logic or any means of epistemology other than the hypothetico-deductive model of scientific investigation. It is this model that proved that spontaneous generation did not make rats come from cheese nor bacteria from pure water. This method brought us modern vaccines and microelectronics like the computer at which you now sit.

Theories may well indeed originate in the right brain. Calling someone a "left-brain prisoner" does nothing to distinguish fact from fantasy however. The theories in which you have come to believe have not been tested and verified. It is a long way from hypothesis to accepted fact. That is the place in which you have become lost.

 

[Bird]

I think it's time to close this thread.