electrical wiring for automatic gate?

/ electrical wiring for automatic gate? #21  
I use two solar panels which is what is required for a two gate system. That little battery that Mighty Mule gives you, that fits into their control box, isn't worth a flip!! It will not open and shut the gates more than 8 times without some kind of charging. That's when it's brand new too!! On a string of cloudy winter days, especially when raining, the flack I caught from Momma wasn't worth it!! A Mighty Mule tech told me the best thing to do was just go buy the 12v Marine Battery, which I did, and as I said we haven't had a problem since.
 
/ electrical wiring for automatic gate? #22  
I use two solar panels which is what is required for a two gate system. That little battery that Mighty Mule gives you, that fits into their control box, isn't worth a flip!! It will not open and shut the gates more than 8 times without some kind of charging. That's when it's brand new too!! On a string of cloudy winter days, especially when raining, the flack I caught from Momma wasn't worth it!! A Mighty Mule tech told me the best thing to do was just go buy the 12v Marine Battery, which I did, and as I said we haven't had a problem since.
 
/ electrical wiring for automatic gate? #23  
<font color="blue"> A Mighty Mule tech told me the best thing to do was just go buy the 12v Marine Battery, which I did, and as I said we haven't had a problem since. </font>

What he really should have told you was "go get an Apollo". /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
/ electrical wiring for automatic gate? #24  
<font color="blue"> A Mighty Mule tech told me the best thing to do was just go buy the 12v Marine Battery, which I did, and as I said we haven't had a problem since. </font>

What he really should have told you was "go get an Apollo". /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
/ electrical wiring for automatic gate? #25  
If I was doing this, and someday maybe I will as I have 600' to the road from my nearest power. I would run a #12 UF in a 3/4" PVC conduit from a 15A breaker. This is assuming the Mighty Mule opener uses a battery and the 120v is just to run the charger. I would not worry about voltage drop for reasons stated later.

A 500' run of #12 is about 2 ohms so the voltage drop would be 2 volts for each amp flowing in the circuit. A short circuit at the far end would draw 60 amps so the 15A breaker will protect the circuit from faults. You could operate some lights with this circuit but would not be able to run any electric motors of any size. A small "wall wart" type battery charger only draws milliamps, thus does not have a voltage drop problem.

The code specifies that a voltage drop not exceeding 5% provides a "reasonable efficiency of operation". I was taught that this was a good practice but NOT required by code as long as a fault would trip the breaker. I.E. low voltage is not a fire or personnel safety issue. However this is not a universal opinion. The final answer would rest with the Inspector, I.E. "The Authority Having Jurisdiction". Some inspectors will consider this to be a requirement, some not.

I would, as Eddie stated, have to slide the conduit on and only be using it as a mechanical protection from the large number of rocks here. You would never be able to pull that UF through 500' of conduit. Around here I would not use romex in the PVC conduit as sooner or later the conduit will fill with water (long story on how this happens). The UF is rated for wet conditions. I would bury it 24" deep as I will need a trencher for this so I might as well run it that depth.

As far as running decorative lighting, voltage drop is not a real concern, the lights will just be dimmer and last longer.
 
/ electrical wiring for automatic gate? #26  
If I was doing this, and someday maybe I will as I have 600' to the road from my nearest power. I would run a #12 UF in a 3/4" PVC conduit from a 15A breaker. This is assuming the Mighty Mule opener uses a battery and the 120v is just to run the charger. I would not worry about voltage drop for reasons stated later.

A 500' run of #12 is about 2 ohms so the voltage drop would be 2 volts for each amp flowing in the circuit. A short circuit at the far end would draw 60 amps so the 15A breaker will protect the circuit from faults. You could operate some lights with this circuit but would not be able to run any electric motors of any size. A small "wall wart" type battery charger only draws milliamps, thus does not have a voltage drop problem.

The code specifies that a voltage drop not exceeding 5% provides a "reasonable efficiency of operation". I was taught that this was a good practice but NOT required by code as long as a fault would trip the breaker. I.E. low voltage is not a fire or personnel safety issue. However this is not a universal opinion. The final answer would rest with the Inspector, I.E. "The Authority Having Jurisdiction". Some inspectors will consider this to be a requirement, some not.

I would, as Eddie stated, have to slide the conduit on and only be using it as a mechanical protection from the large number of rocks here. You would never be able to pull that UF through 500' of conduit. Around here I would not use romex in the PVC conduit as sooner or later the conduit will fill with water (long story on how this happens). The UF is rated for wet conditions. I would bury it 24" deep as I will need a trencher for this so I might as well run it that depth.

As far as running decorative lighting, voltage drop is not a real concern, the lights will just be dimmer and last longer.
 
/ electrical wiring for automatic gate? #27  
Good suggestions so far and I will add mine.

Run the 115AC to the gate, not the low voltage. That long of a run for low-voltage DC will have a huge voltage drop. Not a significant drop for the AC going that distance.

Our gate is maybe 500 ft from the power box and we've had no problems over at least 20 years. Direct burial romex is what we put in.

And it is VERY nice to have that electrical outlet at the gate, as has been mentioned.

Phil
 
/ electrical wiring for automatic gate? #28  
Good suggestions so far and I will add mine.

Run the 115AC to the gate, not the low voltage. That long of a run for low-voltage DC will have a huge voltage drop. Not a significant drop for the AC going that distance.

Our gate is maybe 500 ft from the power box and we've had no problems over at least 20 years. Direct burial romex is what we put in.

And it is VERY nice to have that electrical outlet at the gate, as has been mentioned.

Phil
 
/ electrical wiring for automatic gate? #29  
Why use a jacketed cable? Using THHN individual wires is much cheaper, much, much easier to pull, cheaper and are allowed no derating as you get with any jacketed wire in a conduit. THHN is rated full water proof as well.
 
/ electrical wiring for automatic gate? #30  
Why use a jacketed cable? Using THHN individual wires is much cheaper, much, much easier to pull, cheaper and are allowed no derating as you get with any jacketed wire in a conduit. THHN is rated full water proof as well.
 
/ electrical wiring for automatic gate? #31  
THHN would work fine. Around here we have so many rocks and so much rock movement from frost I would use the UF for that extra bit of protection. No rocks or no frost would change my choice.
 
/ electrical wiring for automatic gate? #32  
THHN would work fine. Around here we have so many rocks and so much rock movement from frost I would use the UF for that extra bit of protection. No rocks or no frost would change my choice.
 
/ electrical wiring for automatic gate? #33  
I have the same system as UncleBuck257 and as he I had to install a 12v auto battery also, I just Paralled it in the system and it has worked for four years.
I have 120v plug close to my gate now for holliday lights and if I need power for something else but I still use the solar system for the gate...I figure it works and why fix something that works fine.
 
/ electrical wiring for automatic gate? #34  
I have the same system as UncleBuck257 and as he I had to install a 12v auto battery also, I just Paralled it in the system and it has worked for four years.
I have 120v plug close to my gate now for holliday lights and if I need power for something else but I still use the solar system for the gate...I figure it works and why fix something that works fine.
 

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