ENGINE GETS RED HOT

   / ENGINE GETS RED HOT #51  
This restriction is beneficial at the coolant pump, it keeps the pump from cavitating.
It also keeps the engine flow from caviting and causing hot spots in the engine.
 
   / ENGINE GETS RED HOT #52  
The backyard theories here are just priceless. An engine will NOT run hot if the thermostat is removed. Those stating the water pump will cavitate need to go read about cavitation. Cavitation, if possible in a given water pump, would occur when flow is restricted... not maximixed. Flow would be maximized if the thermostat was removed.
 
   / ENGINE GETS RED HOT #53  
The backyard theories here are just priceless. An engine will NOT run hot if the thermostat is removed. Those stating the water pump will cavitate need to go read about cavitation. Cavitation, if possible in a given water pump, would occur when flow is restricted... not maximixed. Flow would be maximized if the thermostat was removed.

BACKYARD? after rebuilding 3 different engines (block cracked from top to crankshaft) was told by service manager that engine cold not be run w/o thermostat internal cavitation caused hot spots in engine.
 
   / ENGINE GETS RED HOT #54  
Ok boys and girls.

Just because YOU haven't seen something happen doesn't mean that I can't happen.

Just because YOU saw something happen, that doesn't mean that is what will always happen.

I have seen cars without a thermostat run just fine (cold), I have also seen cars that would overheat without one.

There are too many variables for any of us to make black and white statements about what will or will not happen without a thermostat. Load on the engine, overall condition of the cooling system, layout of the water jackets in the block/head, head/block material, mineral deposits, size and design of radiator. All of these things could have influence on how the cooling system acts when operating outside of how it was designed.

So, there is no "right" answer here.
 
   / ENGINE GETS RED HOT #55  
Cavitation is linked to the boiling point of a liquid at a given temperature and pressure. Water boils at 212 Deg. F at sea level, move to the Rockies and the boiling point falls to 198 Deg. F.
Now, how do we lower the boiling point of a liquid inside an engine? Simple, restrict the flow not by forcing the liquid through a small passage which will increases the pressure but rather drawing [suction] the liquid through a small passage reducing the pressure to below that which the liquid would normally boil. That is why the maximum lift on the suction side of a water pump is limited to 32 feet.
Yes, it is counterintuitive, however there may be locations in the flow path that satisfy the conditions for cavitation.
One way to offset a low pressure point is to raise the overall pressure within the cooling system, hence the pressure cap for the radiator, at 15 psi above atmospheric pressure the boiling point of water is 230 Deg. F. In addition, adding antifreeze to the water increases the boiling point too.
 
   / ENGINE GETS RED HOT #56  
Does this illustration make sense?

Say, you just finished mowing on July 3rd and you want some liquid refreshment. If you want to cool down your "room temperature" drink in a hurry, would you use one large cube of ice or crushed ice? answer: crushed ice. why? because it has much more surface area to allow the thermal transfer and cool down your beverage faster, right?

It is the same with the radiator versus engine block. All the fins and thin passages of the radiator are way more efficient at heat transfer than the passages and thick walls in an engine block. So whatever heat is created in the block is quickly dissipated via the radiator passages when it passes thru the radiator. The thermostat slows the coolant down in the engine (or stops it?) so that the engine can warm up to correct op temp.

Now say you like your drink really cold, do you get more thermal transfer by letting it sit still with ice in it, or stirring the crushed ice in the drink rapidly, as you might do with iced tea?

Ever used a hand crank ice cream maker? Do you just add ice and wait for ice cream to form, or crank and spin the cream in the ice mixture til your turn is over and you pass it to someone else for a while?

Wouldn't coolant moving rapidly thru a radiator act similarly? Hot engine block >--> cool radiator. Transferring heat.

I used to have one of the old (1980?) Oldsmobiles Custom Cruiser wagons that GM put their sorry designed 350/v8 diesels in, and when it died an early death as often happened, the previous owner replaced with a bolt in gas engine swap. When the thermostat was out in the winter, you could not get it to warm up or produce any heat from the heater core. I'm guessing, purely guessing, that GM must have put a HD radiator in those cars. (* quick search of AZ shows it was a bigger rad in the 350 diesel vs 350 gasser)

Long story short, the radiator was much too efficient for the engine without thermostat. The engine did not get hot, needle stayed buried on the cold side, without thermostat.

Just trying to add another .02 for the thread.

ChiefRichard, I hope you find it is just something simple as others suggested like paint or oil that was being burned off. Get a temp gauge to know for certain.
 
   / ENGINE GETS RED HOT #57  
Is there any oil in the crank case?
 
   / ENGINE GETS RED HOT #60  
i'll be that guy that keeps bringing it back.......

i take both (thats right, both) thermostats out of my 3406 powered peterbilt in the summer, both to help keep it a bit cooler, but mostly it really seemed to maximize a/c output. if it got chilly in the fall before they were back in, the engine would never warm up to op temp on the highway, even fully loaded.
 

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