Oil & Fuel Engine Oil for BX2350

   / Engine Oil for BX2350 #21  
MessickFarmEqu said:
Clearly millions of dollars have been thown away over the years, becuase apparently they've just got a bunch of guys pee'ing into all those 5 gallon buckets.

In about two weeks you'll be able to log-on to our website and watch an hour long presentation from our open house last year. Its presented to about a hundred farmers by Bill Zobel of Viscosity Oil. They are the research and development company that New Holland uses to come up with the blends that go into tractors.

I don't know how else to make it more clear. Oil is not all the same. Its much more evident with hydraulic fluid than engine oil. Take New Holland 134 Hydraulic oil, and Kubota SUDT. SUDT is almost double the price, and its not because Kubota is trying to fleece on you on it. SUDT is a synthetic blend thats very different than 134 which is a straight oil with a heavy additive package. When you flip flop these in particular machine you can tell. Stick 134 in a Kubota RTV900 and you'll known in an instant.

I'm not saying that an OEM branded oil is some magic tractor juice. I am saying that it is blended for these companies, and your not buying the same stuff at TSC with a different sticker on the pail. Thats not to say that it won't work, it most cases you can't tell. However, it absolutly is not the same thing.


See those tanks... thats about half of them. We buy oil by the tanker. The blue sticker is New Holland 30w, the big one in the back is 134 hydraulic fluid.
http://www.messicks.com/imageview.aspx?img=warehouse1.png&h=200

Very interesting AGAIN...especially when Kubota themselves says that "SUDT" IS NOT a syn oil!! Its a multi viscosity oil as compared to a straight weight oil such as "UDT". Personally I use a SYN engine oil and the only reason I use UDT in the tranny is because I cant BUY anything "better". Not that its the best..I cant buy what checks out to be the VERY BEST so until I am ( if ever) able to get my hands on it...I have to stick with the UDT for the tranny
 
   / Engine Oil for BX2350 #22  
klrobert said:
... would just like to know how many people use the Kubota brand motor oil...

The brand name you use is not as important as the Category of oil.
Make sure that you use category "CI-4" or "CI-4 Plus" oil for your Kubota engine.
CI category oils are formulated for Compression Ignition engines (diesel).
SI and SM categories are intended for Spark Ignition engines (gasoline).
 
   / Engine Oil for BX2350 #23  
Volfandt said:
I get piece of mind plus a reason to visit the dealer to see the new offerings. .

Which can be just as expensive as not changing the oil at all:D:D
 
   / Engine Oil for BX2350 #24  
For me, it's not a battle between me and Kubota. I don't doubt Kubota "branded" oil is more expensive but I would assume its a piece of security as you can always state you have used "their" product in case of warranty work. I would also think that the very tiny portion of product sales that whatever company (Valvoline in the US, Petrocan in Canada, I assume:D ) reaps in where the Kubota branded oil encompasses yields far from any profit to Kubota in the end. Maybe simply due to the production line changeup costs and packaging. These jugs probably aren't cheap. Unless you have statistics on the financial profits of that arm of Kubota's bottom line in any interim, there really isn't a basis for argument other than the reality that switching an oil distribution run to custom packaging on what is surely not a dedicated line (reinforced by the fact Canadian oil is a different source entity from the US and vice versa so neither is exported,which would have indicated perhaps a dedicated run: especially if Europe was also a customer fo said oil) therefor profitability doesn't appear to be the motive rather than it gives the customer security in knowing Kubota approves and backs this blend.

As per highway trucks, some drivers run at 1250 RPM, sometimes refered to as the "sweet spot" on CAT's where the redline is 2100 because the fuel mileage is best. Idling is hard on the seals and causes blow-by but it is also low idling as once the temp drops below 180F the sulfer doesn't burn off sufficiently and, in addition, not as much moisture is dissipated and this causes the creation of Sulfuric Acid that now begins bathing your crankshaft. Hence high idle at 1100 RPM's to keep the temp near 182 - 188, but these puppys are big girls. They run a million miles before rebuild with consistency and as per oil anaysis, they aren't really lookng at the oil, per say, as much as they are looking at what deposits are in the oil to indicated where certain parts by metal composition that is evident are wearing. Nickel, I believe would indicate Crankshaft weare and if excessive allows the owner to investigate before catastrophic failure. But lets not forget these engines are easily $25,000 just to rebuild. The robustness on all parts of highway trucks from the suspension to the tires alone take HUGE abuses and keep going.

For me, its also not only piece of mind but that I love my tractor so after break in it immediately got switched to Mobil1 10W-30 full synthetic and I also had a case of the tiny Japanes Kubota branded synthetic oil filters the engine comes with from the factory. My dealer sells larger, Fleetnets for cheaper but I choose to use theses. I also used what is called Kubta Super UDT (Canada) which it is understood has a composite that is a partial sythetic blend by Petrocan of there Duratran line. At next hydraulic change I will be switching to full sythetic Petrocan hydraulic Duratran, a more expensive blend. As I do see some winter wind chills to -45 all of this assures me that it will start when I need it. Lubricant will flow at these temps unlike molasses and gets to the surface areas necessary, FASTER.

I DON'T feel taken. :cool:
 
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   / Engine Oil for BX2350 #25  
BX2230_Lockport said:
For me, it's not a battle between me and Kubota. I don't doubt Kubota "branded" oil is more expensive but I would assume its a piece of security as you can always state you have used "their" product in case of warranty work. I would also assume that the tiny tiny portion of the product sales of whatever company (Valvoline in the US, Petrocan in Canada; I assume:D ) that the Kubota branded oil encompasses yields any profit to Kubita in the end simply due to line changeup costs and packaging. These jugs probably aren't cheap. Unless you have statistics on the financial profits of that arm of Kubotas final sales in any interim, there really isn't a basis for argument other than the reality that switching an oil distribution run to custom packaging on what is surely not a dedicated line (reinforced by the fact Canadian oil is s different entity all together and therefor isn't exported) simply isn;'t profitable but gives the customer security in knowing Kubota approves and backs this blend.

As per highway trucks, some drivers run at 1250 RPM, sometimes refered to as the "sweet spot" on CAT's where the redline is 2100 because the fuel mileage is best. Idling is hard on the seals and causes blow-by but it is also low idling as once the temp drops below 180F the sulfer doesn't burn off sufficiently and, in addition, not as much moisture is dissipated and this causes the creation of Sulfuric Acid that now begins bathing your crankshaft. Hence high idel at 1100 to keep the temp near 182 - 188, but these puppys are big girls. They run a million miles before rebuild with consistency and as per oil anaysis, they aren't really lookng at the oil, per say, as much as they are looking at what deposits are in the oil to indicated where certain parts by metal composition that is evident are wearing. Nickel, I believe would indicate Crankshaft ware and if excessive allows the owner to investigate before catastrophic failure. But lets not forget these engines are easily $25,000 just to rebuild. The robustness on all parts of highway trucks from the suspension to the tires alone take HUGE abuses and keep going.

For me, its also not only piece of mind but that I love my tractor so after break in it immediately got switched to Mobil1 10W-30 full synthetic and I also had a case of the tiny Japanes Kubota branded synthetic oil filters the tractor comes with. My dealer sells larger, Fleetnets for cheaper but I choose to use theses. I used what is called Kubta Super UDT which it is the understanding its composite is a partial sythetic blend by Petrocan of there Duratran line. At next hydraulic change I will be switching to full sythetic Petrocan hydraulic Duratran. As I do see some winter wind chills to -45 all of this assures me that it will start when I need it. Lubricant will flow at t hese temps unlike molasses and gets to the surface areas necessary, FASTER.

I DON'T feel taken. :cool:
It wasnt any sort of battle for me with Kubota either..and warranty work has notjhing to do with it. You arent REQUIRED to use Kubota oil..you are required to use an oil that meets "X" specifications ..OR BETTER. Hence the reason I switched at the first change time to a cheaper ( that Kubota) oil that is rated far superior to Kubotas motor oil.

Dont have a clue as to what "Petrocan" brews up..and I also thought that SUDT stood for "syn"...but I saw it hashed back and forth on the BB and decided one day to give them a phone call. Its NOT "syn" anything ( the stuff brewed by Valvolene) its simply multi weight as compared to straight weight ( single weight)

I use Kubota filters sinply because of ease of purchase...although Im sure there are better filters.....but I dont have to chase them down. I simply make a phone call and have a full set sent to me and its done.

Although I disagree with the CAt engines running 1250 RPM with a redline of 2100...they are running at max torque RPM..and typically the sweet spot is about 200-300 rpm ABOVE max torque so that hills etc..pull down TO the mas torque point and not below....but that point aside 1250 is NOT 30% of redline...:D...its almost 60% of redline!
 
   / Engine Oil for BX2350 #26  
Sully2 said:
...Dont have a clue as to what "Petrocan" brews up..and I also thought that SUDT stood for "syn"...but I saw it hashed back and forth on the BB and decided one day to give them a phone call. Its NOT "syn" anything ( the stuff brewed by Valvolene) its simply multi weight as compared to straight weight ( single weight)...

I am 90% positive the structure of the hydraulic fuel is as follows:

US Market = Valvoline
UDT = single weight
SUDT = Multi weight

Canadian Market = Petrocan

Super UDT = a partial sythetic muti weight (climate orientated) repackaged Duratran - upgrade to Duratran Synthetic
 
   / Engine Oil for BX2350 #27  
BX2230_Lockport said:
I am 90% positive the structure of the hydraulic fuel is as follows:

US Market = Valvoline
UDT = single weight
SUDT = Multi weight

Canadian Market = Petrocan

Super UDT = a partial sythetic muti weight (climate orientated) repackaged Duratran - upgrade to Duratran Synthetic

Might well be. I said I have no idea what the people in Canada are brewing up
 
   / Engine Oil for BX2350 #28  
Well, I read the heading, and said to myself--"another controversy over oil". I was right that this question would stir up the troops. How's the song go? No good guys, no bad guys, we just disagree!
Anyway, I had to go check out my Costco Delo 400 oil, which I prudently stocked up on awhile back. It says heavy duty cj4 on the bottle. Also a iso/syn insignia on it. It has worked fine for me in my botas.
I've also noticed at the harbor many empty Delo containers in the dumpster. It seems to be good enough for the fishing fleet, and many of them are out trolling daily.
 
   / Engine Oil for BX2350 #29  
I recommend Rotella T 5W-40 synthetic. At 1000 hrs I changed from 15W-40 petro in my BX 1500. Theres more power available both cold and hot.
larry
 
   / Engine Oil for BX2350 #30  
One of the biggest differences between big trucks and tractors is the fuel they burn. Road diesel has 97% less sulfur in it 15PPM compared to 500PPM. Greater amount of particulates in the oil with Off road diesel.
 

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