Engine Overhaul

[Junkman]

I am in agreement with Daryl on this also. One thing to remember, it isn't cheap to weld up a crank and have it turned. As for the bank owning it, I would go to the banks loan department manager and have a pocket of cash along with me and make him an offer that is somewhat on the low side. Take it from there and negotiate a price that you can live with and he can justify to his bosses. They don't want to be in the tractor repair business or the tractor sales business either. They just want out as fast and cheap as they can. Whatever deal you make, get it in writing that they are responsible for paying off the dealer. If possible, have the dealer deliver all the parts and the tractor to your home. It won't cost that much and will help you to keep a good relationship with the dealer. You don't want to be looking for parts that are missing. Once you make the deal, then get the tractor out of the dealership ASAP. I know what I am talking about here because I have made these type deals in the past. The dealer is probably trying to buy the tractor also. He sees a profit to be made if he can "steal" it and won't be happy if you make a better deal than he has offered. You can bet that he has already made them a low ball offer on the tractor that they have turned down. This is to your advantage, because your offer will need to be higher, but not by much. Just enough to pay the dealer for the work that has been performed so far. Try to stay on good terms with the dealer and lead him to believe that you will be buying all the parts from him, even if you are not. You can win more friends with honey than with vinegar. If he can see $$ coming his way, even if he doesn't own or repair it, he will be very agreeable. Personally, I would go for it, but remember it is a gamble. No one knows exactly what the exact condition of the engine is until it is totally torn down. You must be a gambling man to want to take this type of gamble. I have won and I have lost. The idea is to win more times than you loose to be ahead in game. Good luck.... and don't be afraid to walk away if it doesn't go the way you hope. Better to have tried and lost, than not have tried at all. The dealer still has a relationship with the bank and won't want to jeopardize that either. All of this is to your advantage....... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[normde2001]

Seems to me , if the tractor is worth $6,000 in running condition, $3,500 is to much to pay for it with unknown engine condition. It has been my experience that shortblocks, ($3,000), + reworking the head, is usually cheaper and more reliable than an overhaul. I believe, for $3,500, you will either go in the hole, or at least get nothing for your labor.

 

[powerstroke2000]

A 1720 is a compact tractor right

If so I got one word JAPAN $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

ok maybe some more
One does NH even offer a shortblock anymore?
Two golfcourses normal do not take care of anything they just run it
Three is Japanese part are going to be $$$$$

I would just let it sit right where it is at

 

[Litdave]

Yes, the tractor was made in Japan by Shaburi (spelling?)

Yes, the parts are expensive.

Yes, New Holland does offer a short block. I have gotten a price of $2850 with no core charge.

As far as tractor value. I have had a hard time establishing the value of this tractor. I have seen several "asking prices" considerably over $10000. I have been quoted a trade-in values out of a price guide of $7,200. I have talked to a couple of dealears (not the one with the tractor, see below) and they both indicated the tractor should be worth quite a bit more the $6,000.

As an interesting note, the dealer with the tractor said he would not give over $3,500 for the tractor even if it was running. Kind of indicates (as Junkman was saying) that he wants the tractor. But I was talking to his mechanic and he thought the tractor would be worth $7,500 easy.

Dave

 

[art]

With a loader it would be worth that kind of money. There are different places to get parts, but I would never use anyone other than the manufacturers head gasket. How is the sheet metal?

 

[higgy]

This is the way to save money, use elbo grease. I think you will be alright, just go in with your eyes wide open, buy with your brain and not your feelings, there are more out there.

Do you have access to or have the tools that you will be needing to finish this job such as dial indicatiors, inside and outside micrometers, torque wrench, cam bearing installer, piston ring compressor, you may need to rent a liner puller/installer, feeler gauges, engine stand, floor jacks for when you put the tractor together etc. The other way to look at it is I need these tools for this job and it is a great reason (read excuse) to stock the old tool box.

Just go in with your eyes open.

Good luck, wou may love the project.

Dane

 

[pabelote]

got a little 1700 an its a pullin little rascal. if all you savein is few hundred dollars id go crate. in an out not alot of down time

 

[cowboydoc]

In good shape and running that tractor should be worth from $8900 to $11,525. The first thing before you tear into it is to get the shop manual. If you're smart enough to rebuild a gas motor you'll be fine doing this one with the shop manual. Just remember with rebuilds figure high. You never know what else you are going to have to do. If they neglected it enough that the motor is bad it's a possibility you could have bad injectors, pump, etc. and those are high priced as well. I agree with the other poster that I would go to the bank with a wad of cash. Usually these guys are just wanting to unload and go on. As far as the rebuild with the shop manual you will be just fine.

 

[Litdave]

cowboydoc.

Thanks for the value estimate. It agrees with some of the other values I have come up with. This, along with the good reputation of these tractors, is why I am considering this.


higgy,

I do have all the neccessary tools, equipment, and a shop. I restore/rebuild older classic chevy trucks for a hobby. Working on this tractor might be kind of fun.

everyone,

Does anyone know where I might find a used servicable crank (or engine) that wouldn't need anything worse than turning/polishing?

If I can't find a good used crank, I will probably wind up going with a new short block. The dealer I priced the short block from said he might be interested in my old block. If he gave me say $350(?) for the entire original short block, it would only cost me about $500 more to go with a new short block.

Thanks to everyone, Dave