engine: tuning more HP?

wmonroe · Jan 4, 2015

Will the degradation in reliability be seen in the life of a average tractor? I would guess not in the majority of cases.

C4Ranch · Jan 4, 2015

Got a nearby Massy dealer? Might be worth spending some time talking to the mechanics. They may have experience being inside both engines... Otherwise you could hang out with the parts guy looking up cam pn's, etc...

Danny C · Jan 5, 2015

Opti-Mist said:
Based on reliability research done over time, regardless of manufacturer, in any given family of tractors that share basic major components except for modifications to accommodate increased power, there is a degradation in reliability as power increases.

I would doubt that considering that I am now able to run my tractor in a higher gear to do the same tasks, thus lowereing engine RPM. lower RPM obviously is easier on the engine. I've even noticed an improvement in fuel consumption.

orezok · Jan 5, 2015

I live at 3,500 MSL so I've lost about 10% of of my Kubota's HP. I turned up the IP and now it performs more like sea level power. I don't foresee it having any effect on longevity.

MinnesotaEric · Jan 5, 2015

TSO said:
The Massey 1652, 1655, 1660 all use a 3.0L 4cyl Iseki diesel, but produce 52, 55 & 60 HP. Haven't received a real answer from the Massey dealers I've contacted, and no responses in the MF forum, so..........

Anyone know if (and how) the 1652 could be tuned to make 55 or 60 HP?

Thanks in advance.

Increase turbo boost and fuel. In other words, you need to hack the ECU. You may see if the different models use different ECU part numbers but identical wiring harnesses as a strategy to instantly bless your engine with more power.

As to why one chassis is longer, the reason is likely beefier components in the driveline be it transmission, axles or both.

TSO · Jan 5, 2015

EricTheOracle said:
Increase turbo boost and fuel. In other words, you need to hack the ECU. You may see if the different models use different ECU part numbers but identical wiring harnesses as a strategy to instantly bless your engine with more power.

As to why one chassis is longer, the reason is likely beefier components in the driveline be it transmission, axles or both.

No turbo applies here ... The 16xx series is tier 3, larger displacement, naturally aspirated.

MinnesotaEric · Jan 5, 2015

TSO said:
No turbo applies here ... The 16xx series is tier 3, larger displacement, naturally aspirated.

Check to see if the entire family with the same engine uses the same ECU part number.

If so, look to increasing fuel, if different and the same part number for the wiring harness and main sensors, then look at buying the ECU.

The Fred · Jan 5, 2015

Pull a fred and never look back. I did! Lets see 52 hp. with 7 lbs. boost most likely around 72+ HP with some fuel.

I bet that 3 liter with some boost will rock and roll. Hardest part would be tuning the ECM like Eric says. Does it have an ECM?

Woops did I just say that? I have no idea of your brand but certainly the tuning is with fueling, timing.

Good luck and take lots of pictures, Fred

TSO · Jan 5, 2015

The Fred said:
Pull a fred and never look back. I did! Lets see 52 hp. with 7 lbs. boost most likely around 72+ HP with some fuel.

I bet that 3 liter with some boost will rock and roll. Hardest part would be tuning the ECM like Eric says. Does it have an ECM?

Woops did I just say that? I have no idea of your brand but certainly the tuning is with fueling, timing.

Good luck and take lots of pictures, Fred

Lol, well once again, this is all theoretical because I haven't bought the tractor... Still trying to decide if it's worth upgrading to.

It's a 4 cylinder ... Actually, so is the 2.2L in my 1648.

Also, as much as I like the turbo idea, I'm not trying to spend a fortune for upgrading HP!

So here's the breakdown. A dealer has a low hr 1652 available. Identical to my tractor in every way, except 1yr newer, 300 less hrs and the 3.0L 4cyl making 52.2 HP (stock) vs my 2.2L 4cyl making 47.1 HP (stock). If I trade, it will cost me $5000. There's no way I'd pay $5000 for 5 HP. But I would have an easier time paying that for 13 more HP (if I could boost to 60 HP just by tweaking the fuel pump).

There's the whole dilemma. Need to know if it's "boost-able".

Also, I don't believe there's a ECU, but I'm not sure. Haven't noticed one.

MinnesotaEric · Jan 5, 2015

TSO said:
Lol, well once again, this is all theoretical because I haven't bought the tractor... Still trying to decide if it's worth upgrading to.

It's a 4 cylinder ... Actually, so is the 2.2L in my 1648.

Also, as much as I like the turbo idea, I'm not trying to spend a fortune for upgrading HP!

So here's the breakdown. A dealer has a low hr 1652 available. Identical to my tractor in every way, except 1yr newer, 300 less hrs and the 3.0L 4cyl making 52.2 HP (stock) vs my 2.2L 4cyl making 47.1 HP (stock). If I trade, it will cost me $5000. There's no way I'd pay $5000 for 5 HP. But I would have an easier time paying that for 13 more HP (if I could boost to 60 HP just by tweaking the fuel pump).

There's the whole dilemma. Need to know if it's "boost-able".

Also, I don't believe there's a ECU, but I'm not sure. Haven't noticed one.

I think you want power!

Just get a Deere 4066R. $48k new and it has a loader!

http://www.tractorhouse.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=9064567

Or how about a 2014 Kubota L6060 and loader with 180 hours for $39,900? Somebody else already took the depreciation hit from $52K new.

http://www.tractorhouse.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=9055603