EPA approval??

joerocker · Dec 3, 2005

Glad to hear that...I don't plan on running mine at WOT for ANY number of days straight.

Can I ask WHY the EPA is so picky about this and require such a test?

n4807g · Dec 3, 2005

What US manufacturers? In this class there aren't any.

n4807g · Dec 3, 2005

I guess we'll find out in 2006. I've been importing raw materials from China since 1987. I disagree with you in one area...the Chinese will go to great lengths to improve their manufacturing capabilities. The FarmPro 8240 I have is a perfect example. As for engines and the EPA, like I said, we'll see what happens in 2006. I guess I don't really understand the issue of certificates and no one knowing how to deal with it. I went on the EPA website and there is a list of previously qualified engines. All that's required is asking the manufacturer for the EPA issued certificate # and verifying that it's a real certificate???????

2006 is fast approaching. One thing I did notice about the FarmPro 8240 and Foton's....the recent asking price (dealer) has increased.

n4807g · Dec 3, 2005

Relax......a lot of tractors are bought and used for portable generators. I know a dealer who sold a 572 Belarus that basically never did anything but run a generator. Last time I talked, the engine had over 9,000 hours. Treat the engine well, it'll last a very long time.

n4807g · Dec 3, 2005

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/certdata.htm#largeng

bluechip · Dec 3, 2005

Interesting resouce, thans for posting. I could spot 3 chinese tractor engine companies, one of which, Shandong Huayuan Laidong Engine Co.,LTD. , I was not familiar with. Of course I did not see any chinese engines on the 2006 list yet.

EFC · Dec 3, 2005

Why is this so hard to understand...... They take legitimate #'s and attach them to illegitimate engines. If EPA did a spot check test the Chinese engine would not pass. The engine they copied there engine from the one they stole the EPA # off of though, would pass.

China used to mark every engine with 1998 manufacture dates to get a grandfather exemption. You would have thought they built 100 million engines that year then stopped. The truth was it was BS.

Believe what china tells you but until their engines pass an EPA spot check I won’t believe that they are compliant. I have seen the current engine torn down in our shop and they don’t differ from the 1998 models (that couldn’t pass an EPA test 5 years ago) one bit.

The risk of prison is not worth the reward of tractor sales.

Buck

circleTfarm · Dec 3, 2005

The one dealer we talked to said the prices were going up, due to more shipping cost , higher fuel prices = higher shipping cost..

the engine in the farm pro ,fonton, that is a perkins,,, real perkins or clone? everyone advertises perkins.. if it is a perkins, do they make higher hp engine that meets compliance?

what will this mean for heavy equipment,,(JCB) I think there is a perkins engine in our rubber tire hoe at work

n4807g · Dec 3, 2005

I guess you've got to ask Buck....he knows it all. Perkins engine in Chinese tractors are built by the Perkins licensee in China. We'll know in about 30 days whether or not the Chinese tracotrs will be imported. Who knows......you could call Homier and ask. The dealer I bought the 8240 from said they will be bringing the tractors in. Apparently everyone has an opinion.

n4807g · Dec 3, 2005

I thought it was pretty self evident and straight forward...you look up the manufacturer find the emgine and see whether it has been certified. No listing = no certification. If it isn't on the list it isn't certified.....so buyer beware!

n4807g · Dec 3, 2005

Here's the website for the Perkins Chinese Licensee http://www.perkins.com.cn/english/products.php

n4807g · Dec 3, 2005

Lot of engines missing. Compare it to the 2005 list. I haven't had time to look closely, but perhaps the earlier lists contain engines that already meet the spec. While GOOGLING I found a release from Mitsubishi concerning selling engine to Cummins that met teir 2 requirements. The date on the release was 2003.

n4807g · Dec 3, 2005

The Perkins Phaser 1004-4T that's in the larger tractors wasn't made until 2002 in China. What engine are you tallking about?

EFC · Dec 3, 2005

I dont know which one of the 8 posts to respond to....

JINMA224XR · Dec 4, 2005

<font color="blue"> I guess we'll find out in 2006. I've been importing raw materials from China since 1987. I disagree with you in one area...the Chinese will go to great lengths to improve their manufacturing capabilities. The FarmPro 8240 I have is a perfect example. As for engines and the EPA, like I said, we'll see what happens in 2006. I guess I don't really understand the issue of certificates and no one knowing how to deal with it. </font>

Hey N4807G,

You have a fine Tractor, and I don't think that you have anything to worry about.

People have been issueing scare tactics about the Chinese Tractors, for as far back as i can remember.

The Chinese have caught on to the games that are being played and have realized the Most Important Fact". Sell it for less and they will buy it....

WalMart's has paved the way and there is no stopping them now. It doesn't matter whether it be tractors or anything else.

It won't be long, before the Chinese will be making all the engines for all of the tractors. Because they know, "If They Sell Them For Less, They Will Buy Them"....

As far as the EPA,, They are just another Government Money Sucking Machine. They are not interested in cleaning up anything, much less the environment. All they want is money, and a paycheck, and that is what they will get. In Business, it's all about the money, that's the bottom line, and the Chinese are beating everybody at that game.

The Chinese are no Dumbo's, they will do whatever it takes, to produce and market products cheaper, than anybody else....Period

People flock to WalMarts, Harbor Freight, and the Chinese Tractors for only one reason, and that is to save money, so that they have more money leftover, to manage their other endeavors.

Just my opinion. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Have a nice day,
Joe /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

n4807g · Dec 4, 2005

Here's the telling part: "Next year the EPA plans to crack down hard on imports of non EPA compliant tractors the sad part is that I know companies like Farm Pro or Northern wont get busted. It will be some mom and pop outfit that import a few tractors here and there who will be facing devastation and real prison time. "

It's interesting that you assume Homier and Northern will somehow be able to continue importing emgines that don't meet the EPA requirements. I don't know, that may be. Interesting perspective. I did notice a new distributor/private brand Foton called Johnson, Give him a call, perhaps he has an answer.

http://www.ekjohnson.com/

Looks like he sells the same tractors you sell.

n4807g · Dec 4, 2005

You're right. I was in Shanghai in 1987....what a dump. Today it is as Cosmopolitan as any city on the planet. Company's are falling over each other to establish facilities there. GM and Ford are betting their future on China (literally). It will only be a matter of time before anything with an engine will be made in China, or a similar emerging industrial economy.

joerocker · Dec 4, 2005

China will take over the world. Don't bet against that.

EFC · Dec 5, 2005

My comment about Northern and Farmpro was referring to the qty exemptions. You are only allowed so many tractors per hp range per year not to exceed a total amount in a 7 year period. I know for a fact they exceeded that in the first year they were in business specifically Farmpro, their first order was more than the 7 year exemption. Any tractor after that was illegally brought into the country.

I agree with Joe about the EPA BS though it will do little to clean the air but adds expense to the whole industry.