EV owners of today and tomorrow

[Grumpycat]

I ran into someone I used to work with a couple days ago. Catching up on what we've both been up too, the conversation turned to cars.

Come to find out we both bought a Hyundai SanteFe within a couple weeks of each other. Both end of year 2023 models purchased in November 2023.

The difference was he bought the hybrid model, we bought the Ice model.

So we got to comparing fuel mileage.

His car gets similar gas mileage in the city. Around 30 to 31 mpg which we get.

Highway mileage, it gets 38mpg vs ours getting 34 mog.

He paid $14k more for the hybrid than what we paid for the ice.

We got $10k in incentives, versus $2k in incentives for the hybrid.

I've been saying for nearly 20 years that many make hybrids in name only. They go through the motions but don't derive the benefit. Few get nearly as much advantage in using hybrid technology as Toyota. If you buy an EV, then Tesla. If you buy a hybrid, then Toyota.

I say the same thing about synthetic motor oil. There is no performance standard a motor oil must pass to be sold as synthetic. It doesn't have to be better than refined, or even as good.

The only standard was set by a marketing court of binding arbitration between Mobil-1 and Castrol. The ruling stated Castrol went through extra motions in production (hyper refined) and was therefore entitled to sell their product as synthetic.

 

[WinterDeere]

If I was 6'-4", I would probably have a problem with just about any sedan.

Almost 30 years ago, I worked for a company that somehow managed to send three freakishly tall guys from various offices around Europe, all to their little USA satellite office here in the Philly 'burbs. The shortest of the three, with whom I'm still very good friends, is 7' 1" tall, and I think the tallest of the three was near 7' 6".

Maintaining company cars that these guys could actually drive, but which could also be occasionally driven by the boss's 5' 0" wife or other shorter visitors, was a bit of an ongoing thing. At one point, we had a Crown Victoria which the 7' 6" guy removed the front seat, drilled his own holes further back in the floor, and thru-bolted the seat brackets to these new holes.

I bring all of that up, because the 7' 1" guy ended up staying here long enough (years) that he had to buy his own personal vehicle, and I was the one recruited to take him car shopping. I was showing him all the biggest sedans and pickup trucks, and he just wasn't comfortable in any of them.

He had heard from another tall guy that the then-new late-1990's Ford Focus had a ton of leg and head room, which I thought was a joke, they were such tiny cars. But we went and drove one, and that ended up being the car he bought. It's much smaller than a model 3 or S!

 

[DarkBlack]

By golly, I thought that was impossible! To hear the no-experience experts on this forum speak!

When you bought your Tesla, did it come with a little
“I’m an expert “ badge that you wear?

My wife bought her car, and has owned it for some years. She’s no expert on cars or even just her car. She really doesn’t know much about it except how to gas it up and drive it.
That’s reality. Now .. back to your imagined reality, where a person becomes a vehicle expert by simply buying one….

 

[Dftodd]

Almost 30 years ago, I worked for a company that somehow managed to send three freakishly tall guys from various offices around Europe, all to their little USA satellite office here in the Philly 'burbs. The shortest of the three, with whom I'm still very good friends, is 7' 1" tall, and I think the tallest of the three was near 7' 6".

Maintaining company cars that these guys could actually drive, but which could also be occasionally driven by the boss's 5' 0" wife or other shorter visitors, was a bit of an ongoing thing. At one point, we had a Crown Victoria which the 7' 6" guy removed the front seat, drilled his own holes further back in the floor, and thru-bolted the seat brackets to these new holes.

I bring all of that up, because the 7' 1" guy ended up staying here long enough (years) that he had to buy his own personal vehicle, and I was the one recruited to take him car shopping. I was showing him all the biggest sedans and pickup trucks, and he just wasn't comfortable in any of them.

He had heard from another tall guy that the then-new late-1990's Ford Focus had a ton of leg and head room, which I thought was a joke, they were such tiny cars. But we went and drove one, and that ended up being the car he bought. It's much smaller than a model 3 or S!

We had a Mazda 3 which is identical to the focus. I've actually had a focus as a rental car and they were identical except for trim.

I'm 6'1. I had plenty of leg and head room in them since you could also ratchet the seat up and down.

My issue was always getting out of it since you sat so low.

We took the Mazda 3 to Georgia and I drove pretty much straight through. After that long of a drive, I had to roll out of the car onto the ground. And then stand up

 

[DarkBlack]

By golly, I thought that was impossible! To hear the no-experience experts on this forum speak!

Trimmed all but the last pic which shows a Tesla Wall Connector in proper operation mounted outdoors.

So according to you, the self proclaimed “expert” on Tesla’s EV’s and just about anything and everything ..

This trip hazard, looped cable across a walkway, is “proper operation” for charging a Tesla?

And according to you, the self proclaimed “expert”( because you bought one) , this vehicle should be plugged in every day…. With this major trip hazard cable..Amazing.

Good thing I know enough not to take people like you or Trad seriously

 

[Grumpycat]

When you bought your Tesla, did it come with a little
“I’m an expert “ badge that you wear?

My wife bought her car, and has owned it for some years. She’s no expert on cars or even just her car. She really doesn’t know much about it except how to gas it up and drive it.
That’s reality. Now .. back to your imagined reality, where a person becomes a vehicle expert by simply buying one….

Owned and operated a Tesla for nearly 11 years. I know something, as opposed to those with no experience only read things then only remember what confirmed their biases.

I'd be honored that you respect me as an expert but you have no standing to be defining who is an expert.

I have installed a couple Tesla Wall Connectors, myself. I know something of what is involved.

Pretty sure your wife knows which side of the car the gas cap is located. She knows how easy or difficult it is to get in/out. She does know something.

The no-experience naysayers who come here to share their brilliance can't stand evidence of how an EV can be so easy to accomodate. Is not as if extension cords were invented only after the coming of the EV. Why did you have an extension cord unless you had a use for it?

And then to top it off the scrapbook of pictures demonstrating the impossibility ended with a Tesla Wall Connector, correctly installed outdoors. While thinking to mock EV owners it demonstrated the creativity of EV owners.

 

[Grumpycat]

So according to you, the self proclaimed “expert” on Tesla’s EV’s and just about anything and everything ..

Citation required. Or shut up. You've been Fact Checked.

This trip hazard, looped cable across a walkway, is “proper operation” for charging a Tesla?

"Golly, I've never seen a garden hose laying on the ground before!"

And according to you, the self proclaimed “expert”( because you bought one)

You are crowning me with the title of "expert" only because compared to you, you think I am. I never claimed to be an expert. But I know something about the subject.

Good thing I know enough not to take people like you or Trad seriously
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Sure you take us seriously! See how hard you fight against accepting it?

 

[DarkBlack]

I'd be honored that you respect me as an expert but you have no standing to be defining who is an expert.

I respect you as an expert on using strawman arguments and BS.

On the other hand you and brother Trad have enjoyed a very lengthy narrative here, that people can’t learn about subjects without buying them.
That false logic, you’ll have to keep arguing.

If you’re paying attention at all, you’ll have noticed, I’ve never commented on the ride, or driver’s driving experience, as I wouldn’t because that requires driving one.
Everything else, from electrical cables, to motors, is just as much in my area of expertise, as yours as an owner.

 

[DarkBlack]

Citation required. Or shut up. You've been Fact Checked.

Now you’re just acting immature like Trad.
Tesla needs good ambassadors for their product, to help coax more people into the technology.
People like you and trad , insulting potential future customers, are doing Tesla a disservice

 

[WinterDeere]

So according to you, the self proclaimed “expert” on Tesla’s EV’s and just about anything and everything ..

This trip hazard, looped cable across a walkway, is “proper operation” for charging a Tesla?

And according to you, the self proclaimed “expert”( because you bought one) , this vehicle should be plugged in every day…. With this major trip hazard cable..Amazing.

Good thing I know enough not to take people like you or Trad seriously
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If you call that lone extension cord laying on the driveway a serious trip hazard, please never enter my shop. One compressed air hose might kill you!