EV owners of today and tomorrow

[Gale Hawkins]

I am glad to see this GM video from Sam. Sounds like if Canada and Mexico gets hit with with new questionable 25% tariffs GM will suffer. While GM are technically trailing Tesla by 5-10 years the USA needs GM to find EV paydirt ASAP.

In 3-5 years EVs will only account for 10% of Tesla's annual net profits if Elon Musk is correct.

As GM ICE sales fade as does the Baby-boomer population GM has to keep selling cars since they do not have ways of replacing their net income by 90% by moving into other profit centers as Tesla is doing.

 

[ponytug]

No Datsun 1200 but did have an MGB GT worse $$ trade ever, because I handed over a perfectly straight Midnight Blue 65 4 speed GTO in trade. Best quote about that screw up by an adult was keep making trades like that and you will be driving a bicycle soon. I was driving long distance a lot at the time and the MG was considerably better on gas but I still miss the Goat. The MG did handle well.

Found a pic from 40 years ago

The Model Y is quicker and faster than the Goat outhandles and uses less "fuel" than the MG hauls more than either and is also a Great winter car.

Wow! An MG. Great fun to drive!

I remember a son of friend doing a rebuild, stripping one down to bare metal and making more than a few comments on the Brits inability to make wiring and connectors that didn't fail in humidity. It stuck with me, reinforced by subsequent friends having electrical gremlins. As far as I am concerned, a great life lesson, learned from someone else's experience.

Never considered buying a British car after that for some reason...even some of the mechanically brilliant vehicles. Gremlin hunting may be rewarding, but it is not my favorite pastime.

All the best,

Peter

 

[WinterDeere]

Well, well, maybe electric cars aren,t as green as all the smart virtue signallers thought they might be !

MSN

Wow... that was so poorly-written, I almost wonder if they even proof-read what the AI provided.

The facts given were all 100% true, no knocks there. But they did zero to tie to the facts through to the conclusion.

Are fossil fuels burned in the process of making EV batteries? Yes, true!

Does the source of the electricity matter? Yes it does, to some degree!

Does any of this lead us to the conclusion that "EV's are't green"? Not even a little!

Clearly written for the unscientific reader, who is just dumb enough to latch onto a few scattered facts, and assume they're leading to some conclusion? For sure.

 

[ponytug]

I am glad to see this GM video from Sam. Sounds like if Canada and Mexico gets hit with with new questionable 25% tariffs GM will suffer. While GM are technically trailing Tesla by 5-10 years the USA needs GM to find EV paydirt ASAP.

In 3-5 years EVs will only account for 10% of Tesla's annual net profits if Elon Musk is correct.

As GM ICE sales fade as does the Baby-boomer population GM has to keep selling cars since they do not have ways of replacing their net income by 90% by moving into other profit centers as Tesla is doing.

No reason preventing GM from selling Ultium batteries as home battery backup; it is a lot more $/kWh than burying it in a car. If the system worked, I'd buy an Ultium home battery.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/th...rtable-los-angeles-mans-waymo-ride-goes-awry/

Evolving technology has its bumps.

 

[Grumpycat]

Wow... that was so poorly-written, I almost wonder if they even proof-read what the AI provided.

The facts given were all 100% true, no knocks there. But they did zero to tie to the facts through to the conclusion.

Are fossil fuels burned in the process of making EV batteries? Yes, true!

Does electricity matter? Yes it does, to some degree!

Does any of this lead us to the conclusion that "EV's are't green"? Not even a little!

Clearly written for the unscientific reader, who is just dumb enough to latch onto a few scattered facts, and assume they're leading to some conclusion? For sure.

Agree. It reads like a writing assignment where one doesn’t know the subject but writes to a predetermined conclusion.

So what if fossil fuels are consumed in the production of an EV? The cost of the vehicle is comparable to ICE, so the quantity of resources consumed in production are also comparable to ICE, including the cost of human labor.

And then forget about thermal efficiency for a while, somehow I go more miles per dollar of electric fuel than I go on fossil fuels. Even when the electric fuel is generated with fossil fuels.

Have stated many times I believe the dollar is the only honest metric of resource consumption. Every step of the supply chain demands fair payment else the chain breaks. The sum of these payment is reflected in the end cost paid by the ultimate consumer. Contrast this to the “studies” and wordsmithing by those trying to denigrate EVs as “not green”. Nobody really cares about “green” other than those who hate EVs.

 

[tradosaurus]

Well, well, maybe electric cars aren,t as green as all the smart virtue signallers thought they might be !

MSN

Well well, another ignorant post by an ignoramus.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

One example, how Doordash in China can use robot technology to deliver food to individual rooms. It should be possible to do that in the USA by 2050 perhaps.

 

[wawajake]

.............. Nobody really cares about “green” other than those who hate EVs.

You were making some reasonable points until your last sentence. Todays Electric cars would not exist except for the "green " movement that started with the lies and missinformation of " carbon dioxide being pollution " decades ago that spread around the world. .......now yes perhaps on TBN here where the demographic is primarily rural experience that understand better how the environment operates , most of us ( including yourself) have not bought into that green conspiracy . But it does help to point out the inconsistency of the "green" arguements , even if there is very few " greenies" on this website. Unfortunately this article link took a page from the " greenies" operating manual and exaggerated and overshot their point.

 

[Grumpycat]

You were making some reasonable points until your last sentence. Todays Electric cars would not exist except for the "green " movement that started with the lies and missinformation of " carbon dioxide being pollution " decades ago that spread around the world. .......now yes perhaps on TBN here where the demographic is primarily rural experience that understand better how the environment operates , most of us ( including yourself) have not bought into that green conspiracy . But it does help to point out the inconsistency of the "green" arguements , even if there is very few " greenies" on this website. Unfortunately this article link took a page from the " greenies" operating manual and exaggerated and overshot their point.

Golly, there have always been EVs, even before gasoline. So how did "green" cause those early EVs to be?

Popular Science, Popular Mechanics, and similar magazines routinely featured DIY EV conversions 50 years ago. Green? 1978 on 100 mile drive to collage I would daydream about what it would take to make the trip on batteries. As a young Mechanical Engineering student I pondered over the numbers, the kWh, and available batteries. On further study wasn't too happy with the upsizing needed of lead-acid to stay out of the highest wear SOC regions. "Deep cycle" isn't all that deep.

What has fueled (pun!) the EV revolution is battery technology.