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   / Everlast plasma? #101  
Not quite sure what you are alluding to here...can you explain?

Sure I can explain... here goes....
You promoted your product and company. Got into an argument with a competitor. Offered free factory tours. Asked people to PM you if they wanted information, and offered to investigate a customer complaint. But said you aren't selling anything. That's like saying the owner of a grocery store isn't selling anything because he isn't manning the cash register. You're an owner of the company. You're promoting the product and company. That's advertising. ;)

Sometimes we forget that paid advertisers are what keeps this forum free to its members. Seems like you have a good product(s) and company. That's why I suggested you contact the owners of TBN to see about becoming a paid advertiser. Just that simple.
 
   / Everlast plasma? #102  
You mean the thread that was closed because people wouldn't stop with the personal attacks and insults? Feel free to start a new one if you want.

Aaron Z

Personal Attacks? Im referring denying, deleting, and deflection of a serious safety issue.
 
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   / Everlast plasma? #104  
Hmmm, look again around post 269 (link: http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...eresting-letter-rcmp-today-7.html#post3799406 )
If it weren't for that, the thread would still be open and if someone were to start a new thread, it would remain open as long as it stayed civil...

Aaron Z

Seemed like a pretty weak comment to close the thread.

The greater problem is how the situation was handled by the company after they were caught and their dishonesty in putting on fake labels in the first place.
...oh right.. it was the idiots in the factory that did that, management had no idea even though they have staff in the plant (or so they say) :rolleyes:

Wonder if anyone got a comment back from Sutherland at the RCMP?
 
   / Everlast plasma? #105  
Seemed like a pretty weak comment to close the thread.
Thats because the stronger ones were moved to the recycle bin.

The greater problem is how the situation was handled by the company after they were caught and their dishonesty in putting on fake labels in the first place.
...oh right.. it was the idiots in the factory that did that, management had no idea even though they have staff in the plant (or so they say) :rolleyes:
From what I understand, the opinion of the RCMP is that they "knowingly sold welders with Counterfeit labels" and thats what they pressed charges on. HOWEVER, I have not been able to find court documents showing what the judge thought of it. From what I understand, the court allowed (or at least did not prohibit) Everlast to continue importing and selling uncertified welders for a period of time while they revamped their production and got certified (perhaps that's when they started having someone on site at the factory?) so it makes me wonder if there is anything more than a label/trademark dispute but I have nothing more than hearsay to go on either way.

Wonder if anyone got a comment back from Sutherland at the RCMP?
I spoke with him at length, and got some info back that I would be happy to share in a thread about the topic so that we don't drag this one further astray.
Based on the research I did, it appears that the products currently listed on the Everlast Canada website meet both the US and Canadian ETL standards and are legal for sale in Canada.

Aaron Z
 
   / Everlast plasma? #106  
Thats because the stronger ones were moved to the recycle bin.


From what I understand, the opinion of the RCMP is that they "knowingly sold welders with Counterfeit labels" and thats what they pressed charges on. HOWEVER, I have not been able to find court documents showing what the judge thought of it. From what I understand, the court allowed (or at least did not prohibit) Everlast to continue importing and selling uncertified welders for a period of time while they revamped their production and got certified (perhaps that's when they started having someone on site at the factory?) so it makes me wonder if there is anything more than a label/trademark dispute but I have nothing more than hearsay to go on either way.


I spoke with him at length, and got some info back that I would be happy to share in a thread about the topic so that we don't drag this one further astray.
Based on the research I did, it appears that the products currently listed on the Everlast Canada website meet both the US and Canadian ETL standards and are legal for sale in Canada.

Aaron Z


I for one would really enjoy finding out more FACTS about the issue from someone that can logically put facts together without getting into hyperbole.

If you would start a new thread with what you have found out from your conversation with the RCMP and independent research that would be informative.

Thank you
 
   / Everlast plasma? #107  
The original poster asked specifically if he should buy the import, or spend the "extra" for a Hypertherm unit. Immediately the importer posted a link to sale prices for their product (nothing wrong with that, that's what you should expect from a paid advertiser). Someone else posted about a sale on a Hypertherm 30 at Airgas locations....and someone else mentioned they thought Hypertherm had discontinued that product. Another poster mentioned the "stiff" leads on the Hypertherm, and another mentioned that they really were not made in the USA.

I figured as someone who could answer honestly and truthfully all of the above posts...that I should respond, which I did. Did not offer any deals or promotions, simply replied, answering each question. Regarding the tours...the first post was from a resident of the small state of NH.....where I live, and Hypertherm is located. What better way to show what goes into every product than to watch them all being built...probably less than an hour and a half away from home? And I never said free tours.....don't need to as we certainly would never charge for one! I have even toured a couple of importers through our facilities.

Because I work for Hypertherm, and because I am an owner (all 1500 of us are), does not mean I am necessarily advertising. Expect that when questions are unanswered regarding any Hypertherm product that I will likely do my best to answer them. The decision on what product fits the users needs depends on a lot of factors.....the job of the manufacturer is to ensure that the information to answer all pertinent questions is easily and readily available. If you want someone to quote prices and provide a deal on one of our products you need to go to a distributor that sells them.

In regards to offering contact via PM...I work with somewhere between 25 and 100 end users that have plasma cutting issues...(cut quality, consumable life, programming techniques, hand cutting issues, unique applications, etc). Every week. Doesn't matter what brand or model, I help users get their systems dialed in.....sometimes the systems are imports and other US brands. My company realizes that if you offer your services to anyone that needs advice....then someday that user may make their own decision to switch to your product. It certainly is easier to go back and forth regarding pictures, troubleshooting, looking at cut files and M code via direct email than it is to do so on an open forum....although I do that as well.

Call it advertising if you want, I prefer to think that I am offering information as a trusted advisor with 36 years of hands on plasma cutting experience.

Jim Colt Hypertherm

Sure I can explain... here goes....
You promoted your product and company. Got into an argument with a competitor. Offered free factory tours. Asked people to PM you if they wanted information, and offered to investigate a customer complaint. But said you aren't selling anything. That's like saying the owner of a grocery store isn't selling anything because he isn't manning the cash register. You're an owner of the company. You're promoting the product and company. That's advertising. ;)

Sometimes we forget that paid advertisers are what keeps this forum free to its members. Seems like you have a good product(s) and company. That's why I suggested you contact the owners of TBN to see about becoming a paid advertiser. Just that simple.
 
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   / Everlast plasma? #108  
So I know there is a loyal everlast welder following here.


I'm interested in getting a plasma and have been doing some research for a while. It seems hypertherm is the gold standard. And have, until recently, had the price tag to match. But the powermax30 can now be had for under $1000.

The everlast power plasma 50 is 799 on amazon. It is more powerful but I don't really NEED the 50 amps.


Any love for the everlast plasma? Or spend the extra and get the hypertherm?

Everybody in their own desires, has decided Jim just jumped into a thread about Everlast in an effort to advertise his company's equipment. I point you to the original first post in this thread. It is very easy for anybody with half a brain to see that the OP did in fact ask a specific question about Hypertherm machines. If everyone would just get off their high horses, they could see that Jim just posted information concerning the equipment he represents, as was asked for by the OP, and never in any of the followup post said anything that could be considered a putdown of Everlast or any other company. I think some of you folks should be ashamed of how you have represented your personal Opinions in something that really doesnt add anything of value to this thread. Further replys of Advertiseing without sponsorship is just the little boy crying wolf. I dont have a dime invested in either Everlast or Hypertherm equipment. I dont know Jim Colt or Mark of Everlast, I am just calling it as I see it. Just my Opinons, just the same as some of the Other useless Opinons expressed by other members in this thread.

Just to add so as to not be misunderstood. In the past I have Pm'm both Mark and Jim with questions concerning their equipment. I found both people to be extremely helpful in providing answers to any questions I have had. In Discussions about equipment, Neither Jim or Mark at anytime had anything, good or bad, to say about any other manufacturer. Both provided me with the information requested, both pointed out the major selling points of the equipment they represent, as any salesman should. If I was in the market for a new piece of equipment, I feel I could trust either person to give me the support I need in making a purchase decision.
 
   / Everlast plasma? #109  
^^^^Good one! Geez, the color of you're welding gear is MORE touch'y than the color of your tractor or the emblem on you're truck. I "see it" like mud stopper does.:thumbsup:
 
   / Everlast plasma? #110  
just want to say , I can't blame anyone for defending there product, human nature. I will say I am just a humble consumer , middle class, I have never farmed thousands of acres or have major tractor companies call me for advice, only built things for myself and sometimes I have to do it 3 or 4 times to make it work it in the end it always works for me. Having said that I have a hypertherm 600, had it for several years and have not had one problem,I would by another in a New York second,I have a miller mig 210 and a Hobart lx acdc stick! And a millermatic 135 mig, they are all fine machine and would buy them again, I wouldn't rule out a everlast though and might someday buy one but hypertherm is a very very fine product with excellent reputation that's hard to beat.
 
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