Excavating with a compact tractor?

   / Excavating with a compact tractor? #21  
I would strongly recomend buying both a tractor, a trailer and a tracked 360 digger with a dozer blade. Use the tractor and a trailer to move the dirt away. Move the digger around in the neighbourhood with the tractor trailer, unload the digger, start digging, haul the dirt away on the trailer. Rent a tracked digger for one day, and you will understand what I mean. I had a backhoe before I bougth my first tracked digger, kept the backhoe (might come in handy one day) I never even looked at it after I got the tracked digger. Mine is 8 tons, but a smaller one can do miracles.
 

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   / Excavating with a compact tractor? #22  
With your description of your excavation as being 30' x 40' x 8' sloping to 2', you will be moving about 250 yards of compacted dirt. When it's loose, it will probably be 1/3 bigger or maybe 350 yards. The tractor you describe will have a bucket that will average 1/4 yard at best. That means around 1,400 buckets. of dirt. Do you really have that much time?

Actually he said the house was 30' x 40'. The excavation is along the 40' wall where the dirt is 2' to 8' high. He didn't say how wide the excavation was, but if we go with your figures of 30' wide (probably too much) 1400 loads would be 7000 minutes at 5 minutes per load.

As I see it this works out to ~117 hours.

Frank doesn't say what his situation is, but if he could work solidly at it, 40 hours per week it is about 3 weeks. If he has to do it on weekends, it is going to take longer.

Bottom line is that 120 hours won't come anywhere close to wearing out a tractor.

My JD 110 has a bucket capacity of ~1/2 yard, and so does a Kubota L39. While both of these are a bit over 35 hp, they are both in the 35 hp range. The larger size bucket might cut the job time in half.

It sort of depends on motivation and other time demands. My 80 year old neighbor moves 30 to 40 1/4 yard buckets of dirt some days in 4 to 5 hours.

18 years ago I tore down my old house in the SF Bay area and built a completely new one in its place, while working a 40 hour job. Working with one helper, it took two solid years of every weekend, every holiday, and all 3 weeks of vacation both years. Of course I had the motivation that once I started the value of the house was almost nothing until I finished. Once it was finished, I had added $400k to the value of the property, with an expenditure of maybe half that much.
 
   / Excavating with a compact tractor? #23  
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Highly recommended! Either of those tractors would be an excellent choice for excavation. I just don't know if I'd use them for finish mowing the lawn after the house is built. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I paid less than $700 total for the excavation in the pictures. When finished, it was ready for the concrete contractor. It was done in less than two days. I just wanted to put it into perspective.

Frank's tractor won't be worn out unless he hits some rock and damages something. I can't say the same for him. He'll get very tired before he finishes this job if he doesn't have the right tractor. Either of the ones you suggested are super choices. They may even fit his long-term needs too. If not, I think he would be better served to get a rental or have an excavation contractor do the rough digging. My "math" was just to try to roughly approximate the size of the job. I'm very good at underestimating how big some of my jobs will be. As long as Frank goes in with a good idea of what he is tackling, I don't see any problem with his plan.

...and congratulations on building your own house. I know you said that was 18 years ago, but that kind of dedication deserves admiration for many years. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
   / Excavating with a compact tractor? #24  
I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish, but I'd find out the soil type down there first by doing a core sample. If you hit hard clay, rock , even hard packed sand, you won't be making the 5 minute a load time posted above. This isn't like you'll be moving a pile of fresh dirt and could easily put 5 times that 117hrs before your done. It's just not that simple to fill an FEL bucket full of dirt unless it in a nice pile for you.
 
   / Excavating with a compact tractor? #25  
FRANK,
the one thing that has made a big difference in
my being able to dig better with my FEL, is a
toothbar. i now have a mini bulldozer. L3000DT.
the toothbar has made digging so much easier.
good luck with your projects.
accordionman
wlbrown
wright city, mo.
 

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