Exhaust Mod on my 3725

   / Exhaust Mod on my 3725
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Good evening all. After reading all these posts I decided to "modify" my 2021 Branson 3620R. My tractor is now 100 percent factory minus the dpf honeycomb. An air chisel came in very handy. Results....... tractor runs great, dpf light on all the time, check engine light on all the time. Unplugging the data logger deactivates the tach, temp gauge and glow plugs. I would love to figure out how to get the lights off.
Just curious if you got all the wires reattached after taking the filter off? If all you did was pull the guts out of the inside of the filter, I'm surprised the data logger could tell the difference. That would also be another change over the older pre-2021 system. Several members here have done the same mod you've done (with pre-2021 system), and there are no lights on their dash.

Is everything else connected back the way it was?
 
   / Exhaust Mod on my 3725 #82  
There's only a 4 plugs to reattach and they are all different do you can't mess them up. I have also tried disconnecting the hoses going to the differential pressure sensor, leaving it open to ambient air pressure, but that didn't work either.
 
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My guess is the computer wants the differential pressure sensor to see a pressure difference within a certain range. It should be higher on the engine side of the DPF. Try leaving the tailpipe side open to the air and the engine side plugged in. You may get lucky and that difference would be within range. Probably not but its worth a try. If it works you'll want to plug the open hole somehow.

Did you gut your DPF because it was getting clogged? The regen system on the new models is supposed to address that... did it not work?
 
   / Exhaust Mod on my 3725 #84  
At the moment, there isn't a 5520 equivalent in Europe, or any of the newer models with the 4 range transmission for that matter. Not sure when those will get here. Currently we have the 5025 and the 6225. The 5025 uses the A2300 engine naturally aspired, while the 6225 uses the same A2300 but the turbocharged one.

In 2022, the new Stage V emissions will be applied in Europe and all new tractor have to compliant to Stage V, which most already are as most manufacturers have been making the change in 2021. This actually resulted on a lot of discontinued models, specially on Branson with only 3 models above 25 HP. I'm sure they will release more models once they get the older models up to the new Stage V spec.

This new Stage V requirement, is basically the same as the US now. Emissions stuff required on offroad equipment above 25HP, while before it was only required above 50HP. The later part of this paragraph is important be this means that the 5025 had a simple muffler, but being naturally aspired, it won't fit on your tractor. The other models 5825 (disconntinued) and the 6225, both have turbo, however, being that those are above 50HP, they have the DPF and not a muffler.

Maybe things are different in Australia on the emissions requirements, and there is a model there with A2300 turbo'd engine and a muffler instead of the DPF and a dealer is willing to ship the muffler to you. Otherwise, as Slowpoke Slim explained, it's very easy to retrofit one.

Another thing to consider, is that on the 2021 US models, the data logger has some of the engine wiring hardness integrated into it. So if you unplug the datalogger, I believe you lose the temperature indicator at the dash, accordingly to someone who tried it on this thread. We're waiting on the service manual to be available so we can investigate this further.
At the moment, there isn't a 5520 equivalent in Europe, or any of the newer models with the 4 range transmission for that matter. Not sure when those will get here. Currently we have the 5025 and the 6225. The 5025 uses the A2300 engine naturally aspired, while the 6225 uses the same A2300 but the turbocharged one.

In 2022, the new Stage V emissions will be applied in Europe and all new tractor have to compliant to Stage V, which most already are as most manufacturers have been making the change in 2021. This actually resulted on a lot of discontinued models, specially on Branson with only 3 models above 25 HP. I'm sure they will release more models once they get the older models up to the new Stage V spec.

This new Stage V requirement, is basically the same as the US now. Emissions stuff required on offroad equipment above 25HP, while before it was only required above 50HP. The later part of this paragraph is important be this means that the 5025 had a simple muffler, but being naturally aspired, it won't fit on your tractor. The other models 5825 (disconntinued) and the 6225, both have turbo, however, being that those are above 50HP, they have the DPF and not a muffler.

Maybe things are different in Australia on the emissions requirements, and there is a model there with A2300 turbo'd engine and a muffler instead of the DPF and a dealer is willing to ship the muffler to you. Otherwise, as Slowpoke Slim explained, it's very easy to retrofit one.

Another thing to consider, is that on the 2021 US models, the data logger has some of the engine wiring hardness integrated into it. So if you unplug the datalogger, I believe you lose the temperature indicator at the dash, accordingly to someone who tried it on this thread. We're waiting on the service manual to be available so we can investigate this further.
kukje a2300n2 engine.
muffler ea00001838a.
that is the model of the bolt on muffler for my 4820ch. Any of of our overseas guys able to send me a link to buy one? I have tried every search. No one sells the factory muffler
 
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kukje a2300n2 engine.
muffler ea00001838a.
that is the model of the bolt on muffler for my 4820ch. Any of of our overseas guys able to send me a link to buy one? I have tried every search. No one sells the factory muffler
Unfortunately, buying parts for tractors online is almost impossible in Europe for some reason. At least, for anything other than the European brands.

The only online place I've found is the UK importer for Branson that actually has the parts catalogue online along with prices, however I don't know wether they will ship outside the UK or not. I've contemplated buying filters from them, but since Brexit, the shipping costs went through the roof, plus I get a bunch of import taxes on top of that.

They do list the Muffler #EA00001838A with a price of $300 and the exhaust pipe would be around $217.

I think you could go with Slowpoke Slim's solution for a lot less money that using the OEM parts, which may or may not be available.

Keep in mind that the 2021 20 series require some extra step on the wiring to make sure the gauges are working properly. As of now, we don't have a service manual for this 2021 20 series on this forum yet to confirm this wiring part.

 
   / Exhaust Mod on my 3725 #86  
Unfortunately, buying parts for tractors online is almost impossible in Europe for some reason. At least, for anything other than the European brands.

The only online place I've found is the UK importer for Branson that actually has the parts catalogue online along with prices, however I don't know wether they will ship outside the UK or not. I've contemplated buying filters from them, but since Brexit, the shipping costs went through the roof, plus I get a bunch of import taxes on top of that.

They do list the Muffler #EA00001838A with a price of $300 and the exhaust pipe would be around $217.

I think you could go with Slowpoke Slim's solution for a lot less money that using the OEM parts, which may or may not be available.

Keep in mind that the 2021 20 series require some extra step on the wiring to make sure the gauges are working properly. As of now, we don't have a service manual for this 2021 20 series on this forum yet to confirm this wiring part.

Could you send the site for the parts I’ll see if they will ship. I don’t mind spending a little more for the factory setup. I’ll be the trial run guy for the electronics. We’ll figure something out.
 
   / Exhaust Mod on my 3725 #87  
Could you send the site for the parts I’ll see if they will ship. I don’t mind spending a little more for the factory setup. I’ll be the trial run guy for the electronics. We’ll figure something out.
Oh I meant to add the links and got distracted. My bad.

Here is the one for the muffler: Products/Store | website

And the one for the exhaust piper. This one, they list one for the muffler and one for the DPF, however they don't specify which one is what. Products/Store | website

Let us know what you end up finding.
 
   / Exhaust Mod on my 3725 #88  
Oh I meant to add the links and got distracted. My bad.

Here is the one for the muffler: Products/Store | website

And the one for the exhaust piper. This one, they list one for the muffler and one for the DPF, however they don't specify which one is what. Products/Store | website

Let us know what you end up finding.
I put the full list together down to the bolts. I emailed them the list waiting to hear back if they will in fact ship. Here are the part numbers to convert a a2300n3 engine to NON DPF
 

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   / Exhaust Mod on my 3725 #89  
I put the full list together down to the bolts. I emailed them the list waiting to hear back if they will in fact ship. Here are the part numbers to convert a a2300n3 engine to NON DPF
Hello Johnson,

I was reading about DPFs on another thread and remembered this one. Did you end up getting any response from the UK guys?
 
   / Exhaust Mod on my 3725 #90  
I'm in New Zealand and own a 2021 non DPF 6225h. If you need any pics, let me know.
 
   / Exhaust Mod on my 3725 #91  
Well it's no secret to the regular visitors to the Branson forum that I've been less than happy with my stock exhaust particle filter. I was having constant issues, mostly in the winter time, with not being able to keep my particle filter from clogging up. Most of this was due to not running it with a load on it in winter time. Normally not an issue in summer time, as I run a 6 ft brush hog, which puts enough load (with the warm weather) to keep it clear. But just putt-putting around in winter pushing snow doesn't work the engine, it just loafs along pushing snow. It's the hydraulics and weight of the tractor that gets the work done in winter, not the engine power.

So in winter time, I estimate probably 25-30% of the run time hours on my tractor were taken up just roading my tractor up and down the back roads, trying to put a load on my engine, and get the filter hot enough to burn the particulates out of it.

Anyway...

I was finally able to locate a local exhaust shop that was willing and able to do a little custom surgery for me. I dropped it off yesterday after work, and picked it up tonight after work.

One of my primary requirements for this mod was it had to be a direct bolt in replacement, and I wanted to have the option to put everything back to OEM stock if the need arose (trade in or sell type thing-I'll never put it back just for my own use). Or, I can at least offer the OEM parts to whomever the next buyer would be, so they would have the option if they wished.

I had originally found a replacement tractor muffler locally with a 90 degree inlet pipe on it, that according to the book was for a 2 liter diesel Oliver tractor. I thought the 90 inlet would help with fitting the replacement into the tight quarters against the firewall. The shop that ended up doing the work thought that this Oliver muffler was too small in chamber size, would be loud, and likely burn through quickly due to its small size. After the shop did some measurements, I went to the store looking for a larger replacement and returned the Oliver muffler. The one I found, is a Stanley muffler, P/N: IH-4 in case anyone out there is looking to duplicate what I had done here.

I did stay and help the exhaust guy take the hood off when I dropped it off. I would say its "possible" to do it with the hood on, but not very realistic. With the hood off, there was plenty of room to get at everything easily. The guy doing the work said it was a pretty easy and straight forward job to do the mod.

Here are the obligatory pics:

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The OEM flanges on the exhaust manifold, and the bottom pipe were not touched. New pipe was bent to line the inlet and outlet of the muffler up and new matching flanges were welded on. Exhaust shop even belt sanded the new flanges once welded to the pipes, to make sure they were perfectly flat for a good seal. He even painted the muffler (I hadn't asked for this, but thought it was a nice touch), which now looks like it could be a stock configuration. He also did a very good job tying back the wires from the harness. You have to really look to see them, and they shouldn't cause any issues. I fully plan on removing the entire harness, including the data logger, but I confess I plan on waiting until its much warmer out to do this (unheated garage).

Results...

On initial startup with the new exhaust, the very first thing that jumped out at me was I was really surprised with the volume of exhaust gas pressure coming out of the bottom pipe. I had nowhere near this much pressure at the outlet pipe with the OEM filter in place. This leads me to believe that my filter must surely be at least partially clogged. There is also a noticeable cloud of smoke on cold startup. Like a "traditional" diesel tractor would have. After a minute this does clear, and I couldn't notice any smoke in the exhaust. The exhaust also no longer smells like newborn puppy pharts, but smells like a traditional diesel tractor engine. No better or no worse than any "pre-tier emission" tractor in my opinion. Also, with the data logger still connected, it is currently flashing the particle filter warning light on the dash. It is my understanding that once I disconnect this data logger from the harness, that light will go out and stay out.

I noticed an immediate improvement in power and pedal response when pulling out of the exhaust shop and loading it on my trailer for the trip home. The pedals were "snappy" again. I did a little bit of snow work when I got home, and can confirm a legitimate performance gain over doing the same function just a couple of days ago.

Side observation on the filter itself, I was surprised on how heavy my filter is. Feels like it weighs at least 50 pounds. And the outlet pipe is heavily caked in thick layers of soot. I may try to see if I can find someone with one of those video camera probes that I can stick in the inlet and outlet pipes, just to see what it looks like in there. More just for my own curiosity than anything else.
Thank u for steering me to your thread.
 
   / Exhaust Mod on my 3725 #92  
Great thread. I have a 2015 3520H that I am going to sell and replace with a 2022 or 2023 5835C if they make one. They currently make the 5835 but not in a cab version. Anyway I posted a thread about it (Thinking about a new Branson 5835R but have some questions...) and the OP posted in that thread and directed me to here.

In case anyone else finds it helpful, I'll include a link to my filters and fluids list for a 2015 Branson 3520H...
 

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