Expected price to pay for a Woods BB6000X Brushbull?

[sawtooth]

Oh I see now. Yeah the tree cutter is too much to as it weighs 2500lbs. You gonna need alot more tractor to run that beast. The new tree saw might work but will take longer I'm sure.

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[MinnesotaEric]

Oh I see now. Yeah the tree cutter is too much to as it weighs 2500lbs. You gonna need alot more tractor to run that beast. The new tree saw might work but will take longer I'm sure.

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The tractor I'm looking at three point can pick up 3100 pounds.

FWIW, I already looked at tree cutters prior to my starting this thread. They were all in the 1200-1400 pound range.

BTW, I forgot to thank you for your suggestion to call the OEM.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Yes I agree. The tractor will handle the extreme 5 footer or 6' medium duty version. From what you saying you need to cut (up to 4") i think you should do the woods bb7800x. 4" hardwoods is nasty stuff for sure. If its all pines then possible the 720x will be ok. On another note have you considered just buying a older small dozier or contracting someone to do it? I just spent $2800 and had someone take 30 acres and dozed it out. Just a thought.

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I did consider a crawler dozer but I'd need to get a heavier equipment trailer (and I've got one on order right now) and a heavier truck. Although I've added overload springs, I want to keep within my F150's tow restrictions and there is the storage issue: I hate all blue tarp people, and temporary building people. I don't want to become what I loath, a bad neighbor who has visible junk laying throughout their property.

 

[sawtooth]

The tractor I'm looking at three point can pick up 3100 pounds. FWIW, I already looked at tree cutters prior to my starting this thread. They were all in the 1200-1400 pound range. BTW, I forgot to thank you for your suggestion to call the OEM.

I see now that Brown offers a 5' version but its still 1700lbs. Keep in mind that your tractor lift capacity you mentioned is probably 24" behind the lift arms. That cutter is MUCH further back than that creating a lot of leverage. It may still pick it up but I would call Brown to discuss it as picking something up and handling it safely are two different issues. You will find them to be very honest without doing the common sales pitch as most companies. Another thing that concerns me is that Brown recommends a min of 60 pto hp and I think your tractor to be is only 50hp. When you buy cutters most all companies talk in PTO power not engine power. Again just something to ask as maybe the tree cutters are different. Either way I'm sure your on the hairy line. By the way, what exact tractor is a 60 HST? The reason I ask is that for what your doing I would recommend a heavy AG style tractor. I would not buy a Kubota, light weight version Deere (they have heavier versions too) or any Asian type (no all but most) light duty tractors. Some New Hollands are only good for light stuff to like the TC line etc. If it were me I would go for something like a New Holland 4000 series, Massey Ferguson 2625 or 2635, or equivalent Deere, Mahindra, etc. Compare the specs for the two MF models I gave you then what ever brand you like try to match those specs. I feel certain you'll be much happier in the end. I have had the privilege to run a lot of different machines and the old ag style format just does better for the serious stuff. Their beefier design and larger displacement engines love demanding work. The lighter models do fine and have their place but are not intended for what your describing to us. Maybe this puts you over your tow capacity but I would sure consider it anyways. I see from a earlier post looks like your good at comparing specs so take a look and let us know what you think. Either way your getting ready to have fun with some new toys. Sent from my iPhone using TractorByNet

 

[MinnesotaEric]

I see now that Brown offers a 5' version but its still 1700lbs. Keep in mind that your tractor lift capacity you mentioned is probably 24" behind the lift arms. That cutter is MUCH further back than that creating a lot of leverage. It may still pick it up but I would call Brown to discuss it as picking something up and handling it safely are two different issues. You will find them to be very honest without doing the common sales pitch as most companies. Another thing that concerns me is that Brown recommends a min of 60 pto hp and I think your tractor to be is only 50hp. When you buy cutters most all companies talk in PTO power not engine power. Again just something to ask as maybe the tree cutters are different. Either way I'm sure your on the hairy line. By the way, what exact tractor is a 60 HST? The reason I ask is that for what your doing I would recommend a heavy AG style tractor. I would not buy a Kubota, light weight version Deere (they have heavier versions too) or any Asian type (no all but most) light duty tractors. Some New Hollands are only good for light stuff to like the TC line etc. If it were me I would go for something like a New Holland 4000 series, Massey Ferguson 2625 or 2635, or equivalent Deere, Mahindra, etc. Compare the specs for the two MF models I gave you then what ever brand you like try to match those specs. I feel certain you'll be much happier in the end. I have had the privilege to run a lot of different machines and the old ag style format just does better for the serious stuff. Their beefier design and larger displacement engines love demanding work. The lighter models do fine and have their place but are not intended for what your describing to us. Maybe this puts you over your tow capacity but I would sure consider it anyways. I see from a earlier post looks like your good at comparing specs so take a look and let us know what you think. Either way your getting ready to have fun with some new toys. Sent from my iPhone using TractorByNet

Originally, I started looking at the rotary tree cutters from Brown with the hydraulic flip up panel that allows the operator to simply back into material and cut it, but the cost of the implement itself combined with the fact that it required a utility tractor to operate pushed me back. The Brown units sure are cool though and look like they pretty much Fargo everything they run into: TCF-2600 Folding Deck 2000 Series Tree Cutter | 72" Cut with 145 HP Gear Box | Optional Model @ 1000 RPM | Brown Manufacturing | 800-633-8909

Oddly enough Brown's straight up 5' rotary cutter doesn't outshine Woods' BB6000X. Both use 7GA steel for the deck supported by beefy cross-members, but Brown doesn't fully weld around the deck like Woods, and Brown doesn't offer bolt-on, replaceable skids like Woods does. Brown also uses a ever-so-slightly smaller gearbox than Woods. Brown does offer color choices but in a head to head comparison, both use the same dimension blades, and so I expect performance to be very, very similar. Brown's tree cutters, on the other hand, are a different matter altogether!

Another thing to consider about Brown's actual tree cutter, is that Brown doesn't want people picking it up while it is in use. Brown even suggests using stabilizer chains mounted to the leading, outer-most edges of their tree cutters going up to the base of the rear corners of the cab for extra stability while using the cutter. There is a video of a Brown tree cutter on YouTube with a guy using a Deere compact utility tractor. I couldn't make out the model number, but it looks like a 5000 series of some kind which means it likely has more power than the tractor I'm looking at but relatively the same lifting capability of the three point.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

The forum software doesn't allow two videos in one thread, but, tractor wise, I tested a Massey 4609 gear tractor and it was just too big for maneuvering around. Plus I hope to plow snow and since I was heavy-line guy, I hope to eliminate as many clutches as I can in my life going forward.

 

[sawtooth]

I see now that Brown offers a 5' version but its still 1700lbs. Keep in mind that your tractor lift capacity you mentioned is probably 24" behind the lift arms. That cutter is MUCH further back than that creating a lot of leverage. It may still pick it up but I would call Brown to discuss it as picking something up and handling it safely are two different issues. You will find them to be very honest without doing the common sales pitch as most companies. Another thing that concerns me is that Brown recommends a min of 60 pto hp and I think your tractor to be is only 50hp. When you buy cutters most all companies talk in PTO power not engine power. Again just something to ask as maybe the tree cutters are different. Either way I'm sure your on the hairy line. By the way, what exact tractor is a 60 HST? The reason I ask is that for what your doing I would recommend a heavy AG style tractor. I would not buy a Kubota, light weight version Deere (they have heavier versions too) or any Asian type (no all but most) light duty tractors. Some New Hollands are only good for light stuff to like the TC line etc. If it were me I would go for something like a New Holland 4000 series, Massey Ferguson 2625 or 2635, or equivalent Deere, Mahindra, etc. Compare the specs for the two MF models I gave you then what ever brand you like try to match those specs. I feel certain you'll be much happier in the end. I have had the privilege to run a lot of different machines and the old ag style format just does better for the serious stuff. Their beefier design and larger displacement engines love demanding work. The lighter models do fine and have their place but are not intended for what your describing to us. Maybe this puts you over your tow capacity but I would sure consider it anyways. I see from a earlier post looks like your good at comparing specs so take a look and let us know what you think. Either way your getting ready to have fun with some new toys. Sent from my iPhone using TractorByNet

Regarding rotary cutters you must have looked at Brown's 400 series which is only their entry level cutter not designed to compete with the Woods 1000 series or Extreme line. The cutter that actually targets the same market is their 600 series which is their extreme duty product. Comparing apples to apples the Brown makes the Woods look like a toy. Compare the specs Brown 600 series vs Woods Extreme: 5/8" thick x 6" wide blades vs 1/2" thick x 4" blades, 16,000FPM blade tip speed vs under 14K, 1/4" deck thickness vs. 7 gauge, CAT 8 driveline vs CAT 5. Even the gear box is a beast. I know it says only 145hp rated but thats constant power not a peak rating. Keep in mind that Brown rates all their products very conservatively where other manufactures slightly over promise. For example Brown says their 600 series is rated up to 4" material and so does the Woods 1000 series or Extreme line. However, Brown considers hitting multiple 4" trees ok where Woods is considering only 1 or 2 at a time. The 600 series Brown will handle 1 to 2 (5") hardwood trees with no issue. Question is, is the tractor stout enough to take the abuse LOL! Both are great products just showing the differences of the two ratings. If you ever have a chance to see both in person you will instantly see what I'm saying. The only problem is that I don't think Brown makes a 5 footer in the 600 series. Again you might need to call and check. If not then Woods is probably your best bet which takes us back to the top where you started.

By the way, the Brown medium duty 400 series comes with the same CAT 5 driveline, 7 gauge deck, and 1/2" thick x 4" wide blades which are all the same as the heaviest Woods cutter made the 1000 series Extreme.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Regarding rotary cutters you must have looked at Brown's 400 series which is only their entry level cutter not designed to compete with the Woods 1000 series or Extreme line. The cutter that actually targets the same market is their 600 series which is their extreme duty product. Comparing apples to apples the Brown makes the Woods look like a toy. Compare the specs Brown 600 series vs Woods Extreme: 5/8" thick x 6" wide blades vs 1/2" thick x 4" blades, 16,000FPM blade tip speed vs under 14K, 1/4" deck thickness vs. 7 gauge, CAT 8 driveline vs CAT 5. Even the gear box is a beast. I know it says only 145hp rated but thats constant power not a peak rating. Keep in mind that Brown rates all their products very conservatively where other manufactures slightly over promise. For example Brown says their 600 series is rated up to 4" material and so does the Woods 1000 series or Extreme line. However, Brown considers hitting multiple 4" trees ok where Woods is considering only 1 or 2 at a time. The 600 series Brown will handle 1 to 2 (5") hardwood trees with no issue. Question is, is the tractor stout enough to take the abuse LOL! Both are great products just showing the differences of the two ratings. If you ever have a chance to see both in person you will instantly see what I'm saying. The only problem is that I don't think Brown makes a 5 footer in the 600 series. Again you might need to call and check. If not then Woods is probably your best bet which takes us back to the top where you started.

By the way, the Brown medium duty 400 series comes with the same CAT 5 driveline, 7 gauge deck, and 1/2" thick x 4" wide blades which are all the same as the heaviest Woods cutter made the 1000 series Extreme.

I don't think I can run a Brown simply because of the tractor isn't powerful enough. I might give it a go with a Massey 1758 or 1759 CUT since Massey offers a soft start on their PTO, but not on other CUT tractors. Too bad too because I had located a used Brown tree cutter one for a song (although it looked like it needed new blades).

The good news is that I tuned up my Stihl chainsaw yesterday.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Regarding rotary cutters you must have looked at Brown's 400 series which is only their entry level cutter not designed to compete with the Woods 1000 series or Extreme line.

When I last spoke to you about Brown, I was unaware that Brown offered their 2505C, a 540 PTO tree cutter that can handle PTO hp as low as 50. Today I called Brown to inquire where a dealer is at near Minnesota but their sales guy had taken the day off and so they couldn't tell me who was a dealer. Anyway, the 2505C weights about 1600 pounds and I hope to find out a little bit more about the rotary cutter next week.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

I spoke with Ryan at Brown. I have zero dealers in my area and would buy direct, which would cost about $300-500 freight on top of $5996.00 for a TCO-2505C tree saw. Ryan says that a 50ish PTO CUT ballasted with a loader can run a 2505C Brown TreeSaw. The blades are reversible and a set of new blades with new lefthand thread hardware costs $350-375.00