FarmPro 2430

[HankC]

Hi, My FramPro smokes quite a bit when I first start it up. After it warms up a bit (never really warms up with the stock 57deg C thermostat) the smoke subsides somewhat. I have to get it out of the garage real quick or else the smoke will kill you.
I recently put a rain cap on the exhaust pipe and now I notice there is oil (perhaps unburned diesel) condensing on the cap to the point of dripping.
I only have about 20 hrs. on it with no heavy work at all.
The smoke is grey and though it seems to run okay it is but a bit loud.
Is this normal? or should I be looking at the injectors etc.?
I'm a newbie to tractors as well as diesels so any help, advice or comments are really appreciated. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Thanks,
HankC

 

[blisterbug]

I also have a 2430 with about 22 hrs. Mine smokes and is pretty loud running ,sounds like its coming apart. This is my first diesel too, always had gas. Have had a few small problems, but nothing major. When in low the transmition is realy loud. Mine never gets warm ether. Maybe all this is there nature.

 

[HankC]

I'm slowly getting it ready for Spring when it will go out to my daughter's land. As this was a used tractor I want to get everything correct before I get it out there as the place is quite remote.
I've changed all the oil and hydraulic fluid as well as filters and cleaned the hydraulic screen. Couldn't believe what came out of that engine. The Chinese oil (if you could call it that) was like molasses.
Only problem I've had with it was that it died on me twice while doing some light snow plowing. Ended up to be a fuel problem, either gelled up on me or I had water in the line and it froze.

Apart from the smoking and the noise (which may be normal) I'm quite pleased with this toy.
Will also want to put a backhoe on it come Springtime before I go out.

HankC

 

[greg_g]

Let's not assume anything's wrong, till you actually get the engine running at the recommended temp. There's been a rash of Jinma owners lately discovering 57C thermostats, or no thermostat at all. It's supposed to be an 80C. Replace that, get the engine running up to temp, then re-evaluate the smoke/noise/condensation

//greg//

 

[TruChaos]

Greg has a good point, the engine will never run properly if it doesn't warm up.

However, my 2004 had identical problems as yours. 100 F (yes F) thermostat and lots of noise and smoke. The noise got louder and engine ran increasingly rough. I started by replacing the injectors. Finally I cleaned the fuel system and pulled apart the fuel injection pump (took the top off) and cleaned the plungers and poppets. It ran much better afterwards.

If you're getting a knocking noise don't continue to use the tractor or you'll eventually destroy your bearings.

 

[HankC]

Thanks for all your input, really appreciated.
I'm looking to find the right thermostat for this baby and will hang loose until I change it. Just hope they make 80deg C ones.

As far as the noise it's not a distinctive knock like a bearing, maybe I just have to get used to diesels as I guess they are louder then gas engines. It does become quieter when it warms up, if you consider 135deg F warm.
I just got a bit concerned when I saw the oily condensate on the rain cap suggeting that something was perhaps wrong.

Again thanks for all your advice /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

HankC

 

[greg_g]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">(
I just got a bit concerned when I saw the oily condensate on the rain cap )</font>
At the temperature your engine is running, the "rain cap" as you call it is PART of the problem. The "oily condensate" you see is a combination of water (condensation) and soot. Soot is a natural byproduct of diesel ignition, diminishing in direct proportion to rising operating temps. Running too cold permits excess soot to build up in the exhaust. Your oil probably looks like coal tar too. Condensation is a natural byproduct running warm exhaust through cold steel. The rain cap helps keep the rain out - but also keeps the condensation IN.

Condensation plus soot equals "oily condensate".

//greg//

 

[HankC]

Greg,
This I understand. Unfortunatly, and the source of my concern, is that the condensate is a clear yellowish and not sooty at all.
Also, I have probably not run for more then an hour (mostly at idle) since I installed the rain cap.
Any thoughts?

HankC

 

[blisterbug]

Anyone know where I can purchase a 185f thermostat for a 2340, I checked Napa, Auto Zone and one local nobody has any idea. Thanks

 

[ToolManRick]

I installed a rain cap on mine 50 hrs ago. There is a little soot around the hinge, but other than that no difference than the original curved pipe. I think you might be correct if the wieght of the cap where very heavy and actually restricting the flow. My cap is very light and doesn't clap at all. Once the engine is running, 5 seconds on the starter, there is a puff of rich mixture and the cap is wide open, and no more smoke. I store my little beast in the basement, so that may have something to do with the easy starts.

 

[JINMA224XR]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Anyone know where I can purchase a 185f thermostat for a 2340, I checked Napa, Auto Zone and one local nobody has any idea. Thanks )</font>

Hey Blisterbug,

You might try JinmaParts.com if it is for a Jinma.

Have a nice day,
Joe /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[greg_g]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I installed a rain cap on mine 50 hrs ago. There is a little soot around the hinge, but other than that no difference than the original curved pipe. )</font>
Agreed. But I was referring to the cap not letting condensation get out of a non-running engine. The pipe will (should) be warm, then you shut down the engine, the flap comes down, the pipe cools down, condensation forms, collects in the elbow, and blows wet stuff out next time you fire up the engine.

You have 50 working hours on an engine that reaches proper operating temps. Hank's got what now turns out to be only one hour on a new cap, and idling a tractor with a 57C thermostat. Big BIG difference.

Hank - even with an 80C thermostat, you'll never get a diesel up to operating temp by letting it idle from cold. Especially in the winter.

//greg//

 

[ToolManRick]

All of what you say is correct Greg. Condensation could be a real problem especially if the tractor si stored outdoors. Mine gets babied a little being stored in a warm and dry garage area.

Your also right about the 80C thermostat. Mine is an 80C and it will get up to about 60C at idle, but I have to be using it to get it to full temperature.

 

[Boltonpower]

Sounds about right for a TY395 engine. The governors seem
to be set to slighty over fueled. When cold and or spooling
up they all smoke pretty respectfully..

Graham

 

[HankC]

Thanks all for all your advice really appreciated.
Won't concern myself for the time being and leave well enough alone for now. It starts easy enough even in sub zero weather so I guess things can't be to bad

A northeaster is brewing up for tonight so perhaps tomorrow I'll be able to put it to work and see how it performs pushing some snow around. Gads, I wish this winter was over!

Graham, how are you set for backhoes? Can you install one on my tractor come spring? 2430 w/Koyker 160 FEL.

HankC

 

[blisterbug]

Thanks alot

 

[Boltonpower]

Hey Hank

Yes they do start well in the cold, better than the Y385
in fact. I have (2) Hoes left from this load. I could install a
160/Hoe on your tractor but I'd probably have to order and install
a slotted shaft and pump mounting block if it is not BackHoe
ready. I don't know if FarmPros are defaulted that way. I order
all my tractor B/H ready but!!! Worst case I order the whole
enchilada from the factory LCL... No big deal either way..
Yeah I just can't wait to see how much snow I need to "move"
to get out tomorrow. Haven't had the pto blower off my 284
since christmas... Where are you BTW??

Regards
Graham

 

[HankC]

Hi Graham,

I'm in Eastern MA. Haverhill.
Looks like this storm was a dud (great!) contrary to the forcasts looks like the south shore took the brunt of this one again. only got about 7" rather then the 14" they were forcating.

I'm not sure if my tractor is defaulted for backhoe application, for that matter I would not even know what to look for. If you could give me a clue I can take a look at it to check.

Hope you didn't get to badly whacked with this snow storm!

BTW how long would it take to install a backhoe?

Stay warm,
HankC

 

[Boltonpower]

Yeah we did get skunked didn't we.. Kind of bummed actually,
I was looking forward to one last "blast" with the pto
snowblower. Always amazed at what a 284 with an attitude
can do with that blower. Oh well always next year.. To check
your tractor there are 2 basic areas to look at. Look for a
plate above the pto tail shaft. Remove the cover plate. and
check for the slotted shaft . The slot drives the pump. No slot
and the shaft has to be replaced. Also check for a (4) bolt cast
iron mounting block for the pumps. Time, maybe 2 weeks.
I fold it in to other jobs.Haverhill's just around the corner so
no problem..

Graham

 

[HankC]

Well Graham,
Winter is not over yet and afterall this is New England so you may still get your "last" storm before this is over.

Visually checked the tractor, no 4 hole plate and therefore I'm assuming no slotted shaft. If I take the cover plate off will oil drain out?

At any rate I'll contact you by e-mail to work out the details. Still need to work on my trailer and truck before I will be able to get it out to you.

Will this tractor have sufficient capability to handle the backhoe?


HankC