FarmTrac Troubles

   / FarmTrac Troubles #361  
Taxpayer, you have a lot of the facts correct. I will just fill in a few blanks and expand on a couple of things. I am being very careful to say enough, but not enough to get me in trouble. People on the street are asking me questions they should not know I have the answers to. :)

The Escorts deal was with the Same line of tractors. That contract has been voided for Farmtrac's failure to meet certain contract points. There is no or limited contact between Same and Farmtrac at this time. Deutz NA is providing tech support on the 7 series Same tractors. Also will supply parts. No warranty. True Same tractors have been back under the Deutz NA wing for some time. I would have to look back to get the date as I don't remember exactly.

The Deutz brand was never involved in that contract. VJ is now head of Deutz NA. However, remember that VJ left the company. I can not go into details on that. You seem connected enough to figure out the time line on your own. I personally don't see VJ as a problem with Farmtrac or Deutz.

Your second post just needs a little expanding. I think you are dead on the target. Here are the details your are missing. First, Textron funds the tractors at 100% of dealer invoice. This happens in three steps. When the tractor hits the water, the bulk of the money is advanced to Farmtrac so they can pay the manufacturer. Once the tractor gets to port and is transported to Tarboro, another advance is made to cover the installation of batteries, wheels, and tires. The last advance is made after the dealer orders the tractor and it is pinned to the dealer account. I don't know how far to go on the pricing structure and still stay out of trouble. To my knowledge, Montana and Farmtrac tractors of the same series were priced within a few dollars of each other. Some days one would be higher than the other. Low rate financing programs and the famous 'Less than Zero' tilted the field toward Farmtrac last year. In addition Farmtrac had a greater inventory of the now "old" LS series while Montana was shipping the new R series. To compare a R to the 40 series is not fair. LS added the features everyone was asking for in the 40 series so the "old" Farmtrac was going to be cheaper than the "new" R series. Toward the end Farmtrac was shipping the 30 series which was the R series and prices were near each other. This market difference was not planned by Farmtrac or Montana. At least I can find no proof of it.

Where is the money? I like your thinking on that. I have no way to prove it.

This industry is interesting to watch. One thing you will see is that among the mids and smalls no one is willing to speak out as employment changes quickly. The butt you kick today could well be the butt you need to kiss next week. That will never change. Information is traded in hushed whispers in person. Phone calls can be recorded and emails/letters last forever. You pool the information from all sources, filter, compare and fact check what you can. Then you have to figure out what you can say or not say based on who can get hurt now or later by releasing something that is not already public knowledge.

Lastly, I can tell you that Farmtrac (whole industry really) dealers are being hurt by sales programs. I just told you that Textron funds at 100% of dealer invoice. When you look at the low rate programs the company pays the "buy down" on the note. Interest is forward paid on the day the contract is accepted. This is the difference between the "true" rate and the "low rate". Figuring the buy down is a simple matter of running the low rate payment back thru the payment processor to get the net present value of the contract. Without banging numbers I will go with the last deal I heard. 25K tractor on 0/48 had a buy down of $3200 and some change. What that means is the dealer was over billed for the tractor to cover the buy down by $3200 bucks. The dealer will pay interest on the full dealer invoice while everyone in the industry knows the tractor was really only worth 3200 less than the dealer invoice. Take that percent of over pricing across 50 tractors and see what it does to the annual interest a dealer pays and how high his credit line has to be inflated. Now, jerk that program away as this Farmtrac mess has and you have a bunch of unhappy dealers staring at a huge loss from day one. Some of this over pricing occurs on cash discounts. However, that problem has not expanded to the limits of the low rate mess yet. As each company tries to "give" more and more of a "free lunch" to the buyer the tractor price increases to cover the "gift". I can tell you that low rate is paid for by the cash customer as well. He gets no where near the deal that the low rate guy gets. Big trade in or large down payments help the company as well.

This is getting long. Going to stop here.

Tim
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #362  
Tim--I appreciate your putting my theory in the proper perspective. I only wish I were more proficent in the use of the computer technogly,but I can only type with two fingers and come from a generation that kept most of thier records on the back of a paper bag. so I am unable to include many of the things I come across as attactments to my narratives and can only tell the ones on this post where to look.however, while I may be weak in the areas of electronic information,as an old ex-lawman,I can ferret out a few facts when the need arises and usually come to a reasonable conclusion as to what accually occured. what I would really like to see happen, is for all posters,to share everything they know to be factual ,be it stories about the dealers and customers who have been impacted by Farmtracs closing or Textrons actions.there is a very strong human interest side to all of this and if everyone involved helped, there is agood posibility the national media would become interested.Now lets face facts.when bucking large corporations in the courts,you are up against billions of dollars and fulltime lawyers on the payroll,so they are not going to be too concerened with the little guys who are forced to pool thier resources just to hire one good lawyer. they are however very concerned about national news media attention.after all,we have seen congressional hearings recently on matters not nearly as important in the dailey lives of a large number of Americans. just the random thoughts of an old man. I ran across a couple of other things I think everyone might find interesting about this,but I had better put them in another post.---Taxpayer
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #363  
All the companies involved in this are going to get a black eye. Some have acted great and are being as helpful as they can under the contracts they signed with Farmtrac. Others are hiding under their desk. Since I know the definition of slander I will not be listing them under any headings.

We must remember that Farmtrac is still a legal company. Even if certain parties think not.

How much longer will they be I can not project.

Tim
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #364  
Another thing that should be of interest to Farmtrac dealers is a listing with Lewpack international of 900 new farmtrac tractors for sale.this can be found at LEWPACKINTERNATIONAL - Turnkey Inventory Management or just google lewpack. the only place I can think of that would have this amount of farmtrac inventory would be the farmtrac plant in tarboro. at first I thought the indians might have placed this listing with lewpack,but I noticed another listing of motorcycles. I checked and found that this was the inventory of American Ironhorse motorcycles. a company and it's dealers that are in similar situation as the farmtrac dealers and that Textron also holds the paper on,I rather suspect Textron placed this listing with lewpack.the ad states the price of these tractors will be well below dealer cost,which make it very difficult if not impossible for the dealers to sell the tractors on their yard.it seems to me it would be only fair for the dealers to be offered this same discount.how about some feedback on this.
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #365  
Amen Taxpayer. I think there is way too much going on behind the scenes that the dealers should know about and yet we can't even get phone calls returned.
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #366  
Taxpayer-I have to think for a while on what feedback I could offer!!!:mad: Your correct, the prices listed on LEWPAC are below the dealers invoice price, not alot, but it is still lower. The contact numbers are out of ATL area also where BS with Textron is located (Alpharetta, GA). Unbelievable. We have been told that Textron has an announcement to make on April 1. I just wonder what that could possibly be. Boy this just sends the blood pressure through the roof! I have placed a call to both contact people and also emailed them to see what kind of warranties are offered-if any. I will follow this closely!
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #367  
Well Taxpayer, you are priceless in my book. Thank you for finding the website and passing the info along. I would hug you but some might talk. :D

First phone calls are not getting any useful information. I think everyone in the industry is in shock.

The fun never ends. :eek:

Ma Bell with make a lot of money today. Operators staying by..........................

Tim
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #368  
Yeah taxpayer I was going to offer to kiss you but that is just WRONG!:eek: Your information is great though-good detective work!
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #369  
The tractors on the list at LEWPAC INTERNATIONAL are DEFINITELY the unshipped inventory at the facilities in TARBORO. I have verified this.
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #370  
So Mr. Marrow (receivor) just punched us in the stomach and is under selling us! How are the dealers going to get to sell any of the tractors on our lot that we are paying for each month, when the receivor is selling them for less?
 

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