Favorite handgun caliber?
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<font color="blue"> As to your comment about practice. I agree that it will increase your comfort level with your weapon and to a small degree, increase your accuraccy. I say that because I believe it takes training and education to be able to shoot accurately </font> /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Im sorry, but I havent heard of a way yet to increase accuracy other than much practise, and it will increase A LOT not a small amount.
Race car drivers get good with practise (not with a tv)
surgeons become good with practice
welders ,golfers, hunters, criminals ect....
I think you get the drift..
practice makes perfect.
Im done with this one
Im sorry, but I havent heard of a way yet to increase accuracy other than much practise, and it will increase A LOT not a small amount.
Race car drivers get good with practise (not with a tv)
surgeons become good with practice
welders ,golfers, hunters, criminals ect....
I think you get the drift..
practice makes perfect.
Im done with this one
EddieWalker
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Im sorry, but I havent heard of a way yet to increase accuracy other than much practise, and it will increase A LOT not a small amount.
Race car drivers get good with practise (not with a tv)
surgeons become good with practice
welders ,golfers, hunters, criminals ect....
I think you get the drift..
practice makes perfect.
Im done with this one )</font>
This is very interesting to me in understanding how other people look at things. You and I have oposing views, probably from diferent backgrounds, but then again, it could be anything.
You avoided the points in my previous post, which I would have enjoyed reading. Fortunately you brought up some very good examples that support my point of view very nicely.
Most race car drivers are not very good, but do so for pure enjoyment. Only a very few win consistantly at any given level of compition. I don't believe those who consistantly win got good by driving more than the other 90 percent of drivers, but by better training and educated.
Just driving on a race track all day long accomplishes nothing if you don't have the training to reckognize what you're doing wrong and then correct it to improve your performance.
There isn't a qualified welder on the planet that didn't gain his skills from training and education. Practice allows him to fine tune what he or she's been tought, but without the training, it's just a mess. Doing it over and over again wont make you any better.
And it wont matter how often you hit a golf ball, unless you get some advice or training, you will never get any good at it. Practice will help you improve by learning those skills, but it's not nearly as important as knowing what your doing.
Marksmanship is the same way. Shooting ammo all day long accomplishes nothing if your doing it wrong. I'm sure you enjoy shooting an aweful lot, but how good are you? Can you shoot well enough to compete? Do your groups touch? At what distance?
I agree practice will make you better, but only by a small amout. Thank you for such great examples to prove this.
Eddie
Race car drivers get good with practise (not with a tv)
surgeons become good with practice
welders ,golfers, hunters, criminals ect....
I think you get the drift..
practice makes perfect.
Im done with this one )</font>
This is very interesting to me in understanding how other people look at things. You and I have oposing views, probably from diferent backgrounds, but then again, it could be anything.
You avoided the points in my previous post, which I would have enjoyed reading. Fortunately you brought up some very good examples that support my point of view very nicely.
Most race car drivers are not very good, but do so for pure enjoyment. Only a very few win consistantly at any given level of compition. I don't believe those who consistantly win got good by driving more than the other 90 percent of drivers, but by better training and educated.
Just driving on a race track all day long accomplishes nothing if you don't have the training to reckognize what you're doing wrong and then correct it to improve your performance.
There isn't a qualified welder on the planet that didn't gain his skills from training and education. Practice allows him to fine tune what he or she's been tought, but without the training, it's just a mess. Doing it over and over again wont make you any better.
And it wont matter how often you hit a golf ball, unless you get some advice or training, you will never get any good at it. Practice will help you improve by learning those skills, but it's not nearly as important as knowing what your doing.
Marksmanship is the same way. Shooting ammo all day long accomplishes nothing if your doing it wrong. I'm sure you enjoy shooting an aweful lot, but how good are you? Can you shoot well enough to compete? Do your groups touch? At what distance?
I agree practice will make you better, but only by a small amout. Thank you for such great examples to prove this.
Eddie
Bird, Good Point! Keeping an automatic clean is critical to performance, as is shooting premium loads. I have several auto's and the desert eagle 44 mag is the only one that has ever jammed on me. The reason it jammed was because the ammo I was shooting was not hot enough to cycle the action.
My 357 Python has never jammed either, nor did the S&W K38 I had. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
In my opinion, with any mechanical tool - performance is a direct coorelation to regular maintenance and the manufacturing quality of the tool. I'm not usually one to wait until it breaks before I take action - especially with my guns.
I was also raised to take care of what I had by a father and grandfather who taught me gun safety first, and had NO tolerence for the lack thereof. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Being around people I don't know, who are handling a weapon, always makes me nervous too, as one never knows what type of training they have had.
Regarding accidental discharge of an automatic - I wonder how many people were shot before someone figured out that carrying only 5 shells in a six shot revolver was best?
My 357 Python has never jammed either, nor did the S&W K38 I had. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
In my opinion, with any mechanical tool - performance is a direct coorelation to regular maintenance and the manufacturing quality of the tool. I'm not usually one to wait until it breaks before I take action - especially with my guns.
I was also raised to take care of what I had by a father and grandfather who taught me gun safety first, and had NO tolerence for the lack thereof. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Being around people I don't know, who are handling a weapon, always makes me nervous too, as one never knows what type of training they have had.
Regarding accidental discharge of an automatic - I wonder how many people were shot before someone figured out that carrying only 5 shells in a six shot revolver was best?
Its kind of funny, I agree with both of you....
Practice is paramount.. You must practice often to get proficient.
You must also have an idea on what you may be doing wrong to get better. Rather than polish a rough habit, you neet to smooth it first. I believe even with lots of practice, everyone gets better because if you arent doing something right, someone will tell you. You will typically do more research on the subjuet and gain knowledge that helps you get better. This too applies to everything in life. You really dont always need professional training, but I see whare your coming from.
Practice is paramount.. You must practice often to get proficient.
You must also have an idea on what you may be doing wrong to get better. Rather than polish a rough habit, you neet to smooth it first. I believe even with lots of practice, everyone gets better because if you arent doing something right, someone will tell you. You will typically do more research on the subjuet and gain knowledge that helps you get better. This too applies to everything in life. You really dont always need professional training, but I see whare your coming from.
<font color="blue"> </font> Regarding accidental discharge of an automatic - I wonder how many people were shot before someone figured out that carrying only 5 shells in a six shot revolver was best?
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This is one reason I really like the Ruger and Taurus products. They are reliable and require a deliberate trigger pull to fire. I too agree that safty is key, most accidental discharges are due to carrier neglegence.
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This is one reason I really like the Ruger and Taurus products. They are reliable and require a deliberate trigger pull to fire. I too agree that safty is key, most accidental discharges are due to carrier neglegence.
Bird
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Curious what type of accidental discharges? )</font>
Just about every kind you can imagine in my nearly 25 years, and yes, I think all could be called "negligent" in place of "accidental". The first one at my station was an officer who got off duty, stuck his .45 auto in his pocket, and as he got into his personal car, it went off, burned a trail down his leg to his knee and then into the door, but I can recall some from the gun being dropped, some while "cleaning" the gun, some while loading or unloading, and of course the worst from horseplay.
Just about every kind you can imagine in my nearly 25 years, and yes, I think all could be called "negligent" in place of "accidental". The first one at my station was an officer who got off duty, stuck his .45 auto in his pocket, and as he got into his personal car, it went off, burned a trail down his leg to his knee and then into the door, but I can recall some from the gun being dropped, some while "cleaning" the gun, some while loading or unloading, and of course the worst from horseplay.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( </font><font color="blueclass=small">( My S&W Scandium/Titanium .44 Special )</font>
What does ammunition cost for a gun like this - nothing special, just target range rounds? )</font>
Around $10 a box (50) - give or take $2 dependind the grade of the ammo. Larger bore handgun loads aren't cheap.
If I shot as much as Ernie used to do then I'd be really poor. I think if Ernie had shot a little less then he'd be really rich!
; )
One other point on the practice thread. It's also important to have a plan (be prepared). Know where your guns are, how long it takes to get them and reload them. Can you get them quickly (with out your kids being able to get them). What are your best shooting angles. Will your bullets penetrate walls (don't shoot through a wall into your kids room).
When people ask if they should get a gun I always ask them if they are prepared to use it. If they aren't going to be responsible with it then they shouldn't bother getting one.
Some of us are Wolves and some of us are Sheep and some of us are Guard Dogs. Nothing wrong with being a Sheep or a Guard Dog.
What does ammunition cost for a gun like this - nothing special, just target range rounds? )</font>
Around $10 a box (50) - give or take $2 dependind the grade of the ammo. Larger bore handgun loads aren't cheap.
If I shot as much as Ernie used to do then I'd be really poor. I think if Ernie had shot a little less then he'd be really rich!
; )
One other point on the practice thread. It's also important to have a plan (be prepared). Know where your guns are, how long it takes to get them and reload them. Can you get them quickly (with out your kids being able to get them). What are your best shooting angles. Will your bullets penetrate walls (don't shoot through a wall into your kids room).
When people ask if they should get a gun I always ask them if they are prepared to use it. If they aren't going to be responsible with it then they shouldn't bother getting one.
Some of us are Wolves and some of us are Sheep and some of us are Guard Dogs. Nothing wrong with being a Sheep or a Guard Dog.
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It is quite obvious that you watch WAY to much television or work for the govt .
You see,in real life nothing seperates the men from the boys faster than hot lead flying by your head. It is quite obvious that you have never been there or this disscusion would of ended a while ago.
NOW if you want some doctor to operate on your brain that was trained by watching TV, go for it.
Im going to bury this subject, and carry on with the favorite caliber theme
You see,in real life nothing seperates the men from the boys faster than hot lead flying by your head. It is quite obvious that you have never been there or this disscusion would of ended a while ago.
NOW if you want some doctor to operate on your brain that was trained by watching TV, go for it.
Im going to bury this subject, and carry on with the favorite caliber theme
Bird
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Ernie, I think you're reading something into Eddie Walker's post that isn't there. He didn't say a thing about a doctor, or anyone else, getting their training from the TV, only that "practice" alone, without "training" or education, is not what will make a person proficient in anything. And he's exactly right; you can "practice" all day, every day, and never be any good if you're doing it wrong to start with and have never been taught how to do it right. I think we all agree that after being taught how to do something correctly, then practice will definitely increase your proficiency.