Fiber optic, how to? All fiber optic folks please chime in...

[KubotainNH]

What we are saying Coyote, is yes the copper will work fine, but it is susceptible to electromagnetic pulse. Like lightning for example. It is a nice big fat antenna in the ground like that. It would take a lot to damage the actual wire,(sometimes it actually does) but it will kill the electronics really easy. The glass fiber in the ground will not pickup up lightning pulses nor transmit them to the electronics on the end. It is your choice, and as I pointed out, some areas are much worse than others.

Exactly.

 

[Coyote machine]

OK guys, here's what I've done; and I need a few answers on how to complete this project.
I'm NOT running fiber to my barn. I'm NOT worried about lightening, etc. I've already got so much underground wire at my home it's ridiculous.
So, I've run the wire to the barn already. It's Cat5e and it has bare ends at the house and barn.

I'm going to connect the Cat5e to one of my fiber modem/router local ethernet ports in the house. I'm going to connect the barn end of the same Cat5e cable to my Netgear wired/wireless access point. To the Netgear a twin pair connection to the telephone jack input on my security system base station. From there on the throughput jack I will connect my portable phone base station. That's it. No more, no less.

What is unclear is whether I need to wire the Cat5e from house to barn as a crossover or straight through cable? Seems to me, maybe yes, because I'm trying to connect two devices with no hub?
A basic straight answer, yes, do a crossover, or no, just do a straight cable run would be very helpful.

Thanks.:thumbsup:

CM

 

[Katahdin]

Your router is also a four port hub, so no crossover cable, do a straight run.

 

[Coyote machine]

Your router is also a four port hub, so no crossover cable, do a straight run.

Thanks for clarifying that.:thumbsup: I was not otherwise able to discern what was meant by 'hub' when I came across the reference.

I think I may end up putting something like this* on each end of the Cat5e run, then attach short premade Cat5e jumpers between the ends and the device.

*Keystone Surface Mount Box, 2 Port, White

 

[MossRoad]

I'm confused (what's new? )

If your security system has a telephone jack, you have to connect that to another telephone jack. You can't connect a telephone jack to an ethernet jack.

Does your netgear box have a telephone jack on it as well as ethernet jacks?

 

[Coyote machine]

I'm confused (what's new? )

If your security system has a telephone jack, you have to connect that to another telephone jack. You can't connect a telephone jack to an ethernet jack.

Does your netgear box have a telephone jack on it as well as ethernet jacks?

Hum, that's a good question, I have asked myself, but forgotten to answer in all the confusion, ..."did I fire 5 shots or six"?

Currently Im using a separate Cat5e run in a separate conduit, containing just that run, and a coax run I put in place a long time ago, to provide 1 pair to a RJ-11 jack, then a patch cord to the RJ-11 female port on the security system base station.
As far as the Netgear access point, there is 1 RJ-45 port and a second to connect to a switch for POE, (power over ethernet) in case I don't want to run the included 110Volt adapter.

So, now that I focus on this issue completely, it occurs to me that the one pair I mentioned is running back to the house, and is connected to the fiber optic conversion box, it could also be benefitting from the fiber via that tie in, and maybe I don't have to change anything as far as the security station connection?

And, you're right, I have no way to connect a telephone jack to an ethernet port on the access point. BUT what if I were to connect the barn end of the new Cat5e run to a network bridge, and then terminated at a RJ-45 female to allow a patch cord to tie into the access point? Then, on the bridge I could also attach one pair to the security base station via that same single pair, instead of the existing single pair from the old Cat5e run, (because I'm not certain it's tied directly to the fiber conversion box), it might still be connected to the existing 5 pair running to the roadside pedestal, while the fiber co completes their work....

Not meaning to confuse, but this stuff is hard to explain. All I want is done, so I can go tractor, cut downed trees, drag them home, cut them up, etc. Simple fun stuff!:dance1:

 

[buckeyefarmer]

no crossover between fiber modem output and the barn router.

 

[EarPlug]

Hum, that's a good question, I have asked myself, but forgotten to answer in all the confusion, ..."did I fire 5 shots or six"?

Currently Im using a separate Cat5e run in a separate conduit, containing just that run, and a coax run I put in place a long time ago, to provide 1 pair to a RJ-11 jack, then a patch cord to the RJ-11 female port on the security system base station.
As far as the Netgear access point, there is 1 RJ-45 port and a second to connect to a switch for POE, (power over ethernet) in case I don't want to run the included 110Volt adapter.

So, now that I focus on this issue completely, it occurs to me that the one pair I mentioned is running back to the house, and is connected to the fiber optic conversion box, it could also be benefitting from the fiber via that tie in, and maybe I don't have to change anything as far as the security station connection?

And, you're right, I have no way to connect a telephone jack to an ethernet port on the access point. BUT what if I were to connect the barn end of the new Cat5e run to a network bridge, and then terminated at a RJ-45 female to allow a patch cord to tie into the access point? Then, on the bridge I could also attach one pair to the security base station via that same single pair, instead of the existing single pair from the old Cat5e run, (because I'm not certain it's tied directly to the fiber conversion box), it might still be connected to the existing 5 pair running to the roadside pedestal, while the fiber co completes their work....

Not meaning to confuse, but this stuff is hard to explain. All I want is done, so I can go tractor, cut downed trees, drag them home, cut them up, etc. Simple fun stuff!:dance1:

Your Security System probably needs "dial tone". None of your network equipment will provide "dial tone' all on its own. You will need the proper equipment to get dial tone from some provider.

If you have a jack somewhere on your property that has "dial tone" then you can use any of your CAT 5 cable to patch it anywhere you need to go. You CAN NOT split one pair of wires out a CAT 5 cable that is being used for ethernet and use it for phone.

 

[Coyote machine]

Your Security System probably needs "dial tone". None of your network equipment will provide "dial tone' all on its own. You will need the proper equipment to get dial tone from some provider.

If you have a jack somewhere on your property that has "dial tone" then you can use any of your CAT 5 cable to patch it anywhere you need to go. You CAN NOT split one pair of wires out a CAT 5 cable that is being used for ethernet and use it for phone.

That sounds about right. I did just remember they sent me a broadband adapter a long time ago, before I had fiber as my internet access, I had DSL back then. They told me I'd have better luck on my hard wired phone line then.

Now I think I need to see what it will take to make the broadband adapter work for each base station, 1 at the house, one at the barn....

Sorry to all for being so dense, it's been forever since I backburnered this stuff, because it was at the time pissing me off, since I'd spent a lot of $ and nothing seemed to work as it was supposed to. I forgot most of what I already had and had setup, now it's slowly coming back to me like a backed up drain.:confused3:

I STILL can't access the login for the security settings because of Win 7, and my antivirus, etc. I can via XP, but who still runs that? Technology, ain't it great?! It works when we, the consumers demand fixes to all the bugs we run into trying to use what we've been given.... Don't get me started!

 

[aczlan]

I STILL can't access the login for the security settings because of Win 7, and my antivirus, etc. I can via XP, but who still runs that?

What browser are you using? If using IE, have you tried turning on Compatibility View?

Aaron Z