Filter Frustration

[Industrial Toys]

I often try and get substitutions for hydraulic filters. Mostly for convenience but sometimes price.

I just found a sub for my mower. Textron or Jacobson 178025 filters. I got Donaldson Filters.

It took a while to find the right sizes. Some subs are shorter. But here's the thing. Micron ratings don't seem to be dealt with on substitution charts. My 178025 Filters show six different Donaldson Filters some with different micron ratings and I don't have a clue (nor will the manufacturer reveal this) as to the original spec.

Now, I am leary about installing my new filters. They are about eleven inches long and five inches in diameter (two of them, one after the other) on the suction side of my hydraulic wing mower.

And, are suction application filters any different?

Thoughts?

Thanks

 

[bigdeano]

Many times suction filters have a higher micron rating so as to restrict the flow less. 25 micron is common as I remember. Does the mower also have a return line filter? They're usually 10 or less micron since more pressure is available to push the oil through.

 

[Industrial Toys]

I am not sure, but both these are on the suction port of the filter and that's it. Donaldson (very nice people) tell me the filters I purchased are 17 micron. He thought, good for the application. They are also suitable for suction application.

But, he did not have a cross for my OEM filters. I ended up with his via a cross for a cross.

It makes me start to wonder. What do they use as a medium in oil filters? And what does it mean when a manufacturer has a premium line? What's the difference.

 

[CCWKen]

Filter media can be paper, synthetic fiber or fiber blend and of different thicknesses. The cheaper filters generally use paper and/or have less filtering surface area (fewer pleats). This means it's filtering capability gets exhausted quicker and has a shorter life. "Premium" is defined by the manufacturer and can mean anything. There is no standard for grading terminology. Premium, heavy duty, high flow, super flow or super duper don't mean a thing unless the manufacturer defines it. A premium filter from one company may be the same quality as a standard filter from another. There are no rules for comparison purposes.

The interweb is full of examples of people cutting filters open and comparing media and construction. Some well known brands might surprise you with their poor quality and materials.

 

[oldnslo]

Some filter companies will list a Beta ratio rating for their elements. This provides better idea of how well that filter media works under steady state flow rates.

Suction filters micron rating depends on several factors some of which are:

style of pump: Fixed displacement or variable volume. Most variable volume pumps manufacturers do not recommend using a suction filter or strainer.

Fluid conditions: Cold start ups or heavy oil can cause cavitation which will kill a pump.

system pressure and type of components in the system: Gear pumps and manual valves will tolerate more contaminates that high pressure piston pumps and proportional valves.

For your mower I would guess they are in the 20 - 25 micron nominal range.

If you try them and the pumps are noisy shut it down and get the correct elements. They are usually a whole lot less expensive than the pumps & motors they are protecting.

 

[IceStationZebra]

I found one site that cross referenced it to a 10 micron. ISZ

 

[Tractor Seabee]

I have had good results cross referencing filters at NAPA. IMHO their WIX line is as good a product as any OEM that you pay 2-3 prices for to pay for their label on what really is a stock item. No OEM (Kubota, JD and others) make a filter or have a filter custom made. Many will argue this point, so you have to make your own decision.

Ron

 

[PILOON]

Tell U what is filter frustration.

Brand new Plymouth Fury III (back then) and the car is at dealer's for first oil change.
By noon they still have not finished (was in first in AM) and I inquire what the problem is only to find out that they are unable to install a filter that will not leak. (floor shows the evidence).
Parts manuals show wrong part no's.

Finally the discover that my car was a HD or police package and that version used a different filter that was not shown in the manual.

 

[Midniteoyl]

This says that the original filter is 10micron and is the same as a Wix 51860: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Ransomes-178025-Spin-On-Hydraulic-Filter-51860-OEM-/261258900275

Which has this listed for applications: Part Applications List

 

[Tractor Seabee]

It is a lot easier to match stuff up at the counter rather than some web site, less chance for mistakes.

Ron

 

[Industrial Toys]

Thanks for the insight. That E-Bay filter shows a length of 9 or so inches. Mine are eleven something.

In this case, the (Donaldson) filters were half the price, but I think I will try and get OEM filters from now on.

My first car (that I bought, not the 72 Olds hand me down) was a 77 Plymouth Fury, ex detective car. 360 (unfortunately 2BBL) with bucket seats. I used to see how fast I could take curving on and off ramps, so I wasn't impressed when a dealership installed run of the mill replacement shocks or the tranny rebuilder didn't put any hint of a shift-kit in the rebuild, It also wasn't easy getting replacement BF Goodrich Pursuit radials.

 

[Industrial Toys]

Well, now a twist. I thought I was done with crossed filters.

I had a leaking hydraulic filter on my R510B loader. So I thought I could make a quick (hour drive there and back) trip to my Kubota dealer. NOTHING but confusion about the filter number.

The shop manual specifically states it's a 10 micron filter. In fact they only refer to it as a 10 micron filter. Well the dealer could not tell me what the micron rating was of the filter they sold me. Days later, and the parts guy is still trying to get that answer out of Kubota but says it's doubtful, they will reveal that information!.

If Kubota wants to be that stupid and proprietary about their filters, then I might as well go to Donaldson who tells me what the specs are on their filters AND they are MUCH cheaper! I can buy several for the same price and have them on hand for convenience.