FINAL ANALYSIS OF JD 110TLB -BUY IT OR SKIP IT?

moser29thmp · Nov 25, 2005

After taking several weeks of reading the JD 110 TLB threads I can't tell if you the owners recommend it or are saying it has too many issues stay away from it....please advise? Also I can't find any prices of what one should cost in 2005. I am looking at buying a fully loaded one with all additional hydros, 4N1 bucket, QD hoe kit, Laurin cab, 3point hitch with top and tilt, drawbar, and all armour (skid plates) available, AM/FM/CD/Weatherband radio.....etc. I am being quoted a $50,000.00 price tag and they want 10% down, 8% interest, and JD will only finance it for 72 months and warranty work does not cover pick up and delivery for warranty issues...

Kubota on the other hand is $36,900.00 for a fully loaded L39 all extra hydros, standard HD bucket with tooth bar, QD loader and hoe kit, filled tires (if I want) but no cab. They are 4.9% interest, now money down, up to 84 months financing.

I don't mind paying for quality, and I really am not brand loyal to either one but I am sure willing to be if the reasons and the TLB justifies the support. The price difference I could deal with if the machine is that much better but paying that much more in financing, rates, and money down is insulting and you guys seem to have many issues with the 110 tranmissions, skid plates or lack thereof, and "loose play" in the backhoe and no metal bushings in the front end loader for wear issues. Someone please advise. If the answer is to long pm me with a number I'll pay for the call.
Brian

BloomingtonMike · Nov 26, 2005

This is definately one of those rentable items. I have a 110 and L39 both rentable close by and I live in small town Bloomington USA (100K people is small?). Anyway both should be rentable - maybe even from the selling dealers. Do that and then decide. Those are both awesome looking machines and I all I have done is sit on them at night at the dealership - too crazy for me.

The one thing I talked to the Kubota dealer about was how reasonable the L39 was priced comparitively. He said it is a 110 killer move by Kubota. In fact wasn't the L39 first to market?

Anyway they both look like they could do some serious work. Definately on my "after I win the lottery" wish list. Maybe I should take my own advice abd rent one and play with it for awhile - Sure looks like fun.

MessickFarmEqu · Nov 26, 2005

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The one thing I talked to the Kubota dealer about was how reasonable the L39 was priced comparitively. He said it is a 110 killer move by Kubota. In fact wasn't the L39 first to market?

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The L48 was the first to the market, its about 10-15% larger than the 110 but is priced about the same. The size was a problem when bidding on state contracts so the L39 was aimed squarly to takes sales from the 110. It sounds to me like you have done your homework pretty throughly. What you are looking for should be a great rig.

joes_427_vette · Nov 27, 2005

When I looked at them 2 years ago ( I think they were new on the market ) the retail was $37000. This was a regular set up, no cab or options I was aware of. Very nice machine but I went with a new holland and a bradco hoe. The retail was way to high for private work on my property. You have to admit it is built like an industrial version.

Dutch445 · Nov 28, 2005

Brian,
I think you need to get in the seat and compare the machines, to see what is right for you. That 110 TLB is
an awesome digger, very powerful, and you are right, more
money than the 'bota. You are looking to spec it out very high, with most available options, which is great, but again makes it pricey.
That cab is nice, but there are also some soft sided versions if the $$$ is too much. (Simms cab makes one)
I have not seem many issues with the unit, but maybe some
owners here can give their opinion.
Good Luck!
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tractordk · Dec 1, 2005

That seems like a very good price. I have been looking at the almost identical setup from JD. I also looked at the Kubota but decided after a home demo of both that I liked the feel of the JD better for both Backhoe and Loader work.

I have received the following pricing:
43,202 for the 110 with heavy alternator, 4 in 1, 7 funtion BH and quick connect

1471 for the thumb

1286 for top and tilt

53 for coolant heater

560 for TLB Skid Plate

225 for Draw Bar

9705 for Cab EX Model Delux with no ac and no steel roof

895 for pallet forks

2772 for woods 720 with chains

have a bunch of other things on the quote. All told it was over 80,000. Your pricing seems far lower.

Ben

MessickFarmEqu · Dec 1, 2005

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have a bunch of other things on the quote. All told it was over 80,000. Your pricing seems far lower.

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You can buy a full sized TLB for that kinda money. Infact I think a NH LB75 is a fair amount less even with all the options your looking for.

mike69440 · Dec 4, 2005

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have a bunch of other things on the quote. All told it was over 80,000. Your pricing seems far lower.

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You can buy a full sized TLB for that kinda money. Infact I think a NH LB75 is a fair amount less even with all the options your looking for. )

That's Krrazy pricing! Tell them to keep their 110 if they are that fond of it. Your not the goverment!

The 110 is more machine that the L39, I believe Kubota is fibbing on the specs, especially the loader curl force, but again you can buy a real commericial unit for that money.

MessickFarmEqu · Dec 5, 2005

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The 110 is more machine that the L39, I believe Kubota is fibbing on the specs, especially the loader curl force, but again you can buy a real commericial unit for that money. )

Kubota does not "fib" on their specs. If they where dumb enough to do that they would face a lawsuit within days. There are pro's & con's to both tractors - but as is shown here more often than not there is a fair price difference thats often the deciding factor.

SkyPup · Dec 5, 2005

I shopped for a JD 110 TLB and almost even got a JD 310TLB, the Kubota L39 was a better deal in my mind, about 40% cheaper for the same rig. Now that I have my L39 all set up, it is a dream.

If you do get a JD110TLB, BE SURE to get the skidplate, the hydraulics and electronics are super exposed on the undercarriage, another good reason I paid for the L39. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

mike69440 · Dec 5, 2005

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The 110 is more machine that the L39, I believe Kubota is fibbing on the specs, especially the loader curl force, but again you can buy a real commercial unit for that money.)

Kubota does not "fib" on their specs. If they where dumb enough to do that they would face a lawsuit within days. There are pro's & con's to both tractors - but as is shown here more often than not there is a fair price difference that's often the deciding factor. )

Ok Now I have to elaborate on what I should have stated before.

I apologize for the "fib" word"

Kubota I believe will rate the capacities a certain point in the swing arc where the leverage is most to their advantage. For example, just look at the 4 bar linkage on the TL-1000 bucket. At full back curl the leverage is really working against the hydraulic cylinder. Because of this, the bucket dump time is quick, too quick even. The JD-110 may have slightly less peak, but the average leverage through the swing, especially at the extremes favors the JD. A visual look at the JD-110 also shows where the extra 750 lbs weight went. If one were to ram the loader of these machines into a hard pile, I would expect the Kubota to bend first, but please do not think that I am not impressed with the L39. It is far more maneuverable and has a lower CG than the JD-110.

I'm a bit sensitive to the spec's, as that's what I bought the L39 based on. Specs and price. My L39 Hydraulic pressures were set low from factory and I had a warrantee problem with the loader valve.

Now that all is right, the BH is as strong a hoe as the weight/size of the machine can handle and now at least the loader lift at ground level is strong enough to get one rear wheel off the ground a little bit if I am not lifting bucket center.

The curl is not all that strong on the L39. The main reason I am looking at the Borgford Root grapple with shorter lower tines vs the AnBo, is for the increased leverage the shorter tines will give.

With the BH stabilizers down, the L-39 loader can barely lift the front wheels using the loader, and that's with the bucket edge down. The bucket back curl will not lift the machine, but at least with the main pump pressure set correctly, the curl has some fight. Now I can take a good bite out of loose soft material with the loader.

I' appreciate if somehow my comments could get back to Kubota, and be taken as constructive input, not bashing.

slowzuki · Dec 5, 2005

I think your L39 problems have been brought up before in the kubota forum, but I really think something is wrong with your machine, my L5030 hstc has no where near the loader on it and it tosses the front of the tractor around at idle. It can be frustating sometimes with pallet forks on because they don't fit well and I'll have the front tires off the ground in a split second with me worrying about the q/a popping off.

The only time my loader has trouble is full dump position trying to curl a piece of rock burried in the ground. I can easily stall it out then. No problems anytime near to a level bucket.

mike69440 · Dec 5, 2005

Sorry to bring Jim Morrissey into the fray regading the L-39 loader capacity, however I would like to use a quote from:

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=owning&Number=752642&Forum=All_Forums&Words=L39&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=2&Limit=25&Old=6months&Main=752552&Search=true#Post752642
Quoting Jim:

"The dealer was out yesterday to take a look at my loader. I had previously posted that it seemed like it was losing some of it's stated capability. This is not the case. It's operator error. Turns out that the pressure is right on at 2750 PSI at about 2800 RPM. I believe the "problem" I was having was trying to lift huge boulders too far from the pivot point with my standard loader bucket. I knew this and think I was blind to the situation because I wanted that L39 to lift that rock no matter what! I'm certain that all will be well when I get some forks and have the ability to get an object in tight. Big rocks sticking out two feet or more definitely change the feel of the loader's ability as well as its actual ability. Not sure what the graph looks like, but I'd imagine it's a steep drop as the load grows further from the pivot point. The dealer also confirmed that the loader is simply not designed to lift the entire machine on its stabilizers. He said he knows of no TLB that can do that more than a few inches, which the L39 can do. Basically you're lifting the entire tractor. With the stabilizers up it easily lifts the front end without a whimper or hesitation.

While here they tightened up some hydro fittings and and replaced the two connections on the front hydraulic links, which were leaking.

All is well with the L39."

My L-39 will toss the front end around with the stabilizers up. When stabilizers are down and have the rear tires off the ground the loader has to pick the rear tires and undercarriage also. The loader will just barely do this a few inches the curl will not. Does your L5030 have a BH?

Are you saying that you can stall your tractor's motor using the hydraulic pump alone or are you driving forward also when you are trying to curl? The combination or tractor tractive force and hydraulic pump load will cause most tractors to stall.

The L-39 is a great little machine and is a capable machine for its size. I think I will enjoy it more once I get some of the real heavy lifting sub contracted out. I only wish Kubota had relocated the top bucket link higher on the QD for more curl leverage. My L-39 with me in it weighs only 7500 Lbs and I've pulled 2 ton rocks out with the hoe and rolled them around with the loader. An excavator was impressed when I showed him some of the rocks and stumps I've tackled. He asked, "a Kubota did this"? Take a took what Skypup has done. That Big! (er, almost!)

MessickFarmEqu · Dec 6, 2005

For what its worth, I am going to be meeting with the engineers designing the replacment to the L48 and I'll mention this to them.

As you said, if it seems that your curl force is incosistant its probably because of the 4-bar linkage on the bucket. You'll find this is pretty common - CNH uses it on almost all their machines because its gives you much better dump and rollback angles.

slowzuki · Dec 7, 2005

( Does your L5030 have a BH?

Are you saying that you can stall your tractor's motor using the hydraulic pump alone or are you driving forward also when you are trying to curl?
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No and by stall I mean the valve goes into relief.

The front lifting strength is assumed from the way I can uncurl the bucket and the tips of the forks will lift the front end. That is a lot of leverage on the cylinders.

I do realize the stabilizers move the pivot point back a lot. I just guess I am used to industrial hoes where any of the hydraulic functions can toss the whole machine around. The hoe, stabilizers, boom and curl all can toss it around.

I'm guessing then the L39 can't do a trench crossing using the hoe like a regular hoe can do then?

mike69440 · Dec 7, 2005

The L39 hoe can toss the machine around at will. Even with the pressure low, the hoe seemed sort of strong. With the pressure @2750-2800, the hoe will pick the machine up and move it. As long as the trench width does not exceed the wheelbase, I am sure you could drag the L-39 accross a trench.

Doing so "Voids' warrantee per dealer. So never say you did this.

Anyone outhere with forks for the L-39 or a JD110 to see if you can pick front end up with forks with rear tires on ground, Brakes off using the bucket curl cylinders? A Challenge! Interesting test!

SkyPup · Dec 7, 2005

I have not tried that yet with mine, but putting the FEL bucket down and lilifting the front end off the ground three feet and then using the BH stabilizers to lift the rear off the ground two feet is a great way to change the oil, which is exactly what I did last week @ 200 hrs! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

slowzuki · Dec 7, 2005

Maybe you know this but someothers may not:

A trench crossing involves driving at an angle to the trench until the bucket is on the other side, then applying down pressure to ensure the front tires clear, then sliding on the bucket until the rear tire closest to the trench approaches it.

Then balancing on the bucket, the stabilizers are lowered part way just in case, the hoe is used to lift the rear end and swing to drop the rear on the other side.

It would be odd to void the warantee as this is a pretty normal manover for operators?

mike69440 · Dec 7, 2005

Never tried this maneuver, and per my dealer, never admit to operating the machine in any way not outlined in the owners manual to a Kubota service rep.

Stupid example, Lift or curl, but not at same time.

Another one, don't drive into a pile while lifting or curling. Stop all forward movement prior to using the loader. Dealer told me this when I complained of the loader being weak.

Another one, don't backdrag with the edge of the bucket, use the rear of the bucket edge, and only take abnout 2" of material at a time.

Aso don't try to bulldoze under any circumstance.

Yup, we all play in beach sand and sawdust! We pick up bales of hay with our loader. etc.

I recongize this is a tractor not a a D8, but some of the stuff in manuals, not just tractor manuals, was written with a lawyer and accountant looking over the tech writer's shoulder.

There is a lot of pressure to deny warrantee work, regardless if warranted or or justified or not. The use of the swing mechanism to move the machine about was one of things dealer warned me never to mention to Kubota.

You may have done nothing wrong, but if you give them a reason to deny service, they are very inclined and instructed to deny. Watch out for 'innocent" questions. Often the honest among us get screwed because the cleaver, sneaky, guy with connections causes an atmosphere of distrust with the manufacturer.

tomlozier · Dec 21, 2010

Hey Brian our company has two 110's one at 1500 hrs other at 900. They have been exceptional tractors with few problems. Were looking to upgrade new with cab we also have an L48 turbo bota with cab, the deere's are a definate industrial work horse.574 551 1466