finish mowers

[yellowsocks93]

Do you work for both Toyota and Nissan or kind of move around where you are needed? With all the money JD has made over the years I think they can afford the best technology out there.

 

[edv]

Jim..

I have personally seen the JD Deck press in operation...At the time I understand this was the largest press in any of Deere's factories..


EDV

 

[JimMc]

We currently have projects in house for both Toyota and Nissan in addition to our own design projects.

Ed, it's good to hear from you. I was beginning to wonder if you were still in Europe. The longer we stayed, the more expensive it got, but the Euro really shot up after we got home. Makes me wish I had converted every cent I could get my hands on to Euro's! Will we be able to enjoy the pleasure of your company at Louisville next month?

 

[nomad]

So, what? Debris or, to say better, rocks entering the steel deck and them being thrown at 17,000 fpm and hitting the deck must be producing very much noise. If the field is so rocky, then this noise produced by hitting rocks to the deck will be continuous high amplitude sound waves at more than 100 decibels that is ear disturbing and is this permitted by liability laws? When you design a finish mower you do it considering the field is not much rocky and the stones in the field are small sizes. But when I propose a plastic deck you change the field and you say design of that (plastic) finish mower should also consider fields with much rocks with big sizes. Design parameters should be same when designing a steel and a plastic deck mower. and I don't think steel deck mowers are being designed according to the fields with much rocks of big sizes. If we are going to design such a finish mower which will work in heavy rock field, then the steel deck will fail faster than a, say, "laminated tire" deck. Yes, when saying plastic I am not only mentioning only some known plastic materials. Laminated tires made of used tires too can be used as deck materials efficiently. With such a deck, no noise of hitting rocks to the deck, impact force by the rock hitting the deck will be damped and hence its speed of rock will be slowed, etc etc. See many advantages of such a deck here that a steel deck designs haven't taken into account. Rock rake made of plastic tines on the front edge of mower will only help more on preventing the rocks entering the blade area so that much less number of rocks will be thrown at 17,000 fpm, that is very dangerous to welcome the rocks to the blade rotating at about 3000 rpm. Single incident will put all current finish mowers out of the business.

Ps: lets not forget that current basic deck designs of finish mowers are probably based on older rotary cutter deck designs which were made some decades ago. Since then, no significant progress in the deck of finish mowers.

 

[cj7]

wow! guys I never thought we were going to redesign the mower .. cool though.. I just wanted some user info on how well they work on yards that have some sharp angles to work with.. ex..... traveling up a slope then to a level area etc..


btw. interesting concept using plastic. I am sure it would need to be of a high grade to withstand the abuse. It would lighten the load on the hitch .. prolly a good thing..

 

[nomad]

cj7, such discussions will correct misknowledges in the field and will enlighten the users. For ex., in this thread, now you know that stamped decks aren't superior over welded decks if their welds are made very good. However, we may not still say this surely because discussion participants were only dealers selling FC products and a manufacturer himself (JimMc) of Midwest mowers which both are welded mowers. If a stamped mower dealer or manufacturer participated the discussion, he/she would tell us real advantages of stamped decks over welded decks and we would not say "stamped deck is much superior than the weld deck" as a misknowledge. Farming field is full of technical misknowledges and we are questioning them here if really so or not. So, I thought I added real helpful contribution to your thread with a simple questions.

 

[Egon]

I be confused again! Allways under the impression that the proper finish mower was a reel type that cut the grass leaves nice and clean.

Egon

 

[nomad]

Yes, your impression is correct - a proper finish mower must cut the grass short enough, nice and clean. But we questioned in this thread which is proper mower; welded deck or stamped deck - or, does it really matter. Not much thing to get confused.

 

[edv]

Plastic decks are nothing new to the mower industry...Honda introduced a polymer (plastic) deck years ago....It never became popular...It had flex...plastic sides would wear quickly when it came in contact with concrete curbs..etc...

There is new grass cutting technolgy which was developed in Germany. In many applications...road side mowing in high density areas...this type of mower is required to be used (Germany). The metal housing looks like a flail mower..it has a rotor shaft with a spiral auger type flange on the rotor, and every few inches there is a small cut out..approx. 1/4 inch.

The rotor shaft cuts the material very fine...Stones are no problem with this type of cutting...like any good idea there are some disadvatages...slow speed, and only able to cut light material.

Just thought the forum readers would appreciate this info.

edv

 

[HayDR]

edv,
Has any of the new tillers, that replaced the 550 JD/Howard tillers, hit the dealer lots yet? Does JD now have an exclusive on the Sicma CS tillers?

We just wonder if First Choice, IMC/WAC, & Big B will be able to sell the CS Tillers under their private labels?