Fire extinguisher maintenace

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BIG DOOLEY

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Saw a post the otherday about who had a dry chem. extinguisher mounted to their tractor.
Tought i would throw in a helpful hint to make sure your dry chem. will work when you need it.
Here is one link.

Care and Maintenance of your Fire Extinguisher

Shake your dry chem extinguisher by tilting it right side up to trning it upside down on a routine basis.
the dry chem powder settles and compacts itself.
on a tractor with vibration this could pack it down sooner due to vibration.
one a month is a common rule of thumb.
it can pack itself so tight that the agent may not come out when you need it.
you may feel a thud or hear the block of powder slide from end to end when it is packed too tight.
keep flipping or shakeing it till the powder loosens up and slides easily from end to end inside the unit.
you dont want it compacted so tight that it not come out when you need it most.
same goes for the one in your home too.
Tom
 
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Yeah, Tom, I'll bet I'm not the only one who forgets about that. We have a fire extinguisher in the garage, just outside the door from the kitchen into the garage. And it probably hasn't been moved or handled in the last 7 years.
 
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Thanks I didn't know that. I will have to go check mine.
 
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Well now, the things you learn here on TBN. Like others I thought you just put the extinguisher up and when you needed it... well it would just be there to serve you. Of course logic dictates that the extinguisher probably wont work without inspection and maintenance but who thinks about things like that? Shake the extinguisher you say? Once a month huh...Well I bet ours hasen't been touched in at least 5 years.. Now one more thing to think about and maintain. Thanks for posting:thumbsup:

James K0UA
 
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I turn mine upside down and hit the bottom with a rubber mallet once a year.
 
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I turn mine upside down and hit the bottom with a rubber mallet once a year.

That's what we did when we had our shop.

I had to use one many years ago, that only shot gas, because the powder had caked in the bottom. It was however, very old.

I have a friend that owns a fire extinguisher company. He said there should not be any moisture inside the fire extinguisher, (if it's filled properly), and without moisture, the powder should not cake in the bottom from sitting. The problem here is, unless you filled it, you can't know for sure.

He also doesn't think you should stake your life on one, more than 10 years old, that hasn't been serviced. That way you should be assured of a working extinguisher, when you need it.

In the meantime, since it doesn't hurt to turn it over and bop it a few times, once a year or so, I'll do it.

Remember most of these small units only shoot for a very short time, so you have to get in there with it.

And don't forget to hold your breath before you pull the trigger. You will find out why, if you inhale some of that powder.
 
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If I may, I do have an opinion here. I owned a small (one-man operation) fire extinguisher service for 14 years. By the time I sold the business, I was inspecting or servicing about 6000-7000 fire extinguisher per year.

There is nothing really wrong with the advice given so far. Just some things some things I'd like to add or clarify.

DO:
Check the gauge on a regular basis. If it is low on pressure, take it to a licensed fire extinguisher company for repair, or just replace it. (if it doesn't have a gauge, get rid of it and buy one that does - see below)
If you use a dry chemical extinguisher, even a little bit, take it in for service or replace it.
The hydrostatic test interval for dry chemical fire extinguishers is 12 years. If you've had your extinguisher that long, and never had it recharged, then take it in for service or replace it. (the rubber o-ring and valve stem seat will eventually dry rot and need to be replaced)
Dirt daubers and spiders love the nozzles and hoses. And yes, a nest can block the hose. Remove the hose regularly and blow out with compressed air. NOTE: you can prevent this with a piece of thin tape. (freezer tape or scotch tape) Unless you wrap it up tight with gorilla tape, it will just blow off when you discharge the extinguisher. Alternatively, you can use a thin balloon. (you have 195 psi on a charged extinguisher - plenty enough pressure to pop that tape or balloon)


DON'T:
Please do not keep your home fire extinguisher above the stove, above the clothes dryer, on top of your water heater, or anywhere else that you might have to use it!!!
Same with the one on your tractor or other equipment. If you have a cab, mount it inside. If not, I like to mount them on the fender.

Don't worry about it:
As Ray said, a properly filled extinguisher won't have moisture in it and the powder will not settle IF it's just hanging on the wall or sitting on the floor. However, the powder will pack from vibration. (equipment mounted) NOTE: the easy way to fix this is to mount the extinguisher horizontally. Then, when you pick it up, the powder will naturally fall to the bottom and be ready to go. That's it. That's all you have to do. Period. However, if you can't mount the extinguisher where it is laying on its side, then, YES, by all means, you need to take it out of the bracket, turn it upside down and whack it with a rubber mallet until the powder breaks loose.
And, if it makes you feel better to pound on that extinguisher that's been just sitting under your sink, then go ahead. It won't hurt anything. :D

I would like to add that most of the extinguishers that you can buy at retail box stores are JUNK. STAY AWAY from them. In most cases, you can purchase a commercial grade extinguisher from a reputable fire extinguisher company for just a few dollars more. They will also be able to sell you a heavy duty vehicle bracket that will actually hold the extinguisher.
And, no reputable fire extinguisher service company, that I know of, will work on those plastic valve pieces of junk either. (I use the word "reputable" here for a reason. There are crooks in any line of business, fire extinguisher companies included. Ask the local fire department who they use.)
BTW, if you are thinking that I'm exagerating, just take a good look at the extinguishers on the wall in the big box stores. They will NOT be the same ones that they have on their shelves. That's right. They won't use that kind of junk in their store, but they will sell it to you. :rolleyes: Did I mention that they were JUNK??? :p
In case you're wondering which brand to buy, I recommend Amerex or Badger. Not doing a commercial here, just telling you which ones are the best quality. (and I've seen them from the inside-out) Those were the only ones that I would sell and use myself.

JMHO.
 
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big dooley - great thread - I never thought of this. This makes me want to go and check . :thumbsup:

bigfoot62 - great advice - Same thing - neveer thought of those things. however - if you could be so kind, can you post what a licensed fire extinguisher company for repair costs in ballpark range and when to toss the extinguishers and when to repair? Do they do a free inspection with a possible price to repair or is it a pay to check?
 
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I have a good friend that has a fire extinguisher service and he keeps us well supplied. I check them every so often, but he also checks and changes them out when he is stops by.
 
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And, no reputable fire extinguisher service company, that I know of, will work on those plastic valve pieces of junk either. JMHO.

Yep. It took me a while to get the message, but my friend will not even touch an extinguisher with a plastic valve.

It is worth the extra money to get a "Real" extinguisher with a metal valve, because: 1. The gas will not leak out of it. 2. If you use it, you can get it refilled.

I have a question Bigfoot, how do you get the gas in the extinguisher? I once tried to blow air backwards into one that the gas leaked out of, and it would not go in. :confused:
 
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Bigfoot62, thanks for the tips on fire extinguishers, and everyone else too.
 
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Yep. It took me a while to get the message, but my friend will not even touch an extinguisher with a plastic valve.

It is worth the extra money to get a "Real" extinguisher with a metal valve, because: 1. The gas will not leak out of it. 2. If you use it, you can get it refilled.

I have a question Bigfoot, how do you get the gas in the extinguisher? I once tried to blow air backwards into one that the gas leaked out of, and it would not go in. :confused:

Ray, The fire extinguisher techs have an adapter, specific to the make and model, that will screw in the valve where the hose goes. It is then charged with a regulated supply of nitrogen.
You do not want to charge a dry chemical extinguisher with air:
1. Air contains moisture. (nitrogen is dry)
2. Air contains oxygen. (I don't have to explain what happens when you blow on a fire with oxygen, do I?) :D
 
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Ray, The fire extinguisher techs have an adapter, specific to the make and model, that will screw in the valve where the hose goes. It is then charged with a regulated supply of nitrogen.
You do not want to charge a dry chemical extinguisher with air:
1. Air contains moisture. (nitrogen is dry)
2. Air contains oxygen. (I don't have to explain what happens when you blow on a fire with oxygen, do I?) :D

AAh.. I always charge mine from my oxy bottle off of my torch outfit.. :D
 
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AAh.. I always charge mine from my oxy bottle off of my torch outfit.. :D

Can you share a video of you trying to put out a fire with that? :D
 
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Used to work for a Natural Gas Co. and they held fire drill frequently and this included the wives at pumping stations. And these drills tought the women how to use a fire extinguisher for several types of fire. They would in parking area set a container with gas cloths and light the fire then have the wives put the fire out. same for wood fires. For who is at home when all the men are at work.
At one pumping sta. had 2 6000 h.p. Elec. motors big. and when starting there were heat coils to give the starting winding voltage. one motor was having problems with switching from starting to running so the coils turned red. burning the accumulated dust off. the plant operator grabbed a co2 12 lb. extinguisher and started to spray the coils . static elec. and touching the cabinets caused a shock so he turned in a plant fire alarm. every vehicle in area with light bars on top responded. then operator realized co2 being sprayed will charge up the bottle.
One embarassed person.
ken
 
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i work far a large chemical company.
we practie putting out fires as part of our training.
there are 4 basic types of fire extinguishers.
type A which is a water tank filled with an inert gas. these are for wood, paper, fabric, waste baskets.... you can also get these with a foam agent which smothers or covers material with suppressive foam.
type B which is a dry chemical. used for solvents like gas, oil, diesel, or any other type of liquid. charged with an inert gas or a CO2 cartridge.
most dry powders are harmless to you as baking soda.
type C which is a CO2 and is used for electrical fires
type D which is for metal fires like magnesium.
make sure you use the right type of extinguisher or you could make a bad situation even worse.
example
never use water on a gas fire as it will most likely spread the gas and make it worse.
a hot pot of vegtable oil on your stove is best put out by putting a lid or cookie sheet on the pan or pot. you can even smother it out by throwing a damp towel over it.
if you throw water on on a pot of oil, the water will boil so fast it explodes and the oil will blow everywhere and make a huge fire.
Death in the Kitchen (Warning) - YouTube
What NOT to Do! Cooking Oil Fire: Silverdale Fire Brigade Open Day, Auckland NZ, 30 Oct 2010 - YouTube
tom
 
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Ray, The fire extinguisher techs have an adapter, specific to the make and model, that will screw in the valve where the hose goes. It is then charged with a regulated supply of nitrogen.
You do not want to charge a dry chemical extinguisher with air:
1. Air contains moisture. (nitrogen is dry)
2. Air contains oxygen. (I don't have to explain what happens when you blow on a fire with oxygen, do I?) :D

I had no intention of using the fire extinguisher, I was only experimenting with a unit before discarding it.

It was clear that they had to have a way to attach it to the, what is it N2 bottle?

I was surprised that I could not hold the valve open, and blow pressure back into the bottle, which made me wonder how it worked.
 
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Good thread! I guess I will pitch my 18 year old First Alert extinguishers and give the local fire extinguisher company a call.
 

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