Firearms/NRA/Gun Laws

   / Firearms/NRA/Gun Laws #71  
Just some FYI. I looked up the cause of death in the United States for non-health related death. In every age category from birth to 100 years old guns ranked at the very bottom and accounted for less than 1% of all deaths combined age groups. #1 was motor vehicle collisions. This was according to the Williams and Koch research in 1990 & 1996. Wonder why cars, fires, drownings, falls, poisoning, etc. doesn't get the same press as guns. Doesn't look to me like we have a gun problem, we have a perception problem.

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   / Firearms/NRA/Gun Laws #72  
Thank You for that info.
I think it's easier to whip up the population over guns than any other safety issue because too many people that know better stay silent. The rest rely on talking heads to tell them how the world works, and should work. Follow the money.

Branch
 
   / Firearms/NRA/Gun Laws
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#73  
Richard,
Great informational find. I wonder how Todd feels about that information? How many people would be saved if there were more laws prohibiting guns? I also wonder how many of those 1% gun related deaths are with legally purchased firearms? Sounds like we need more laws against drivers. Maybe making the legal age of 25 to obtain a drivers license. Only if public transportation isn't available. Then have a waiting period for the permit as well as a background check. Any accidents in the family and you are denied. Then anyone after the age of 65 cannot have a drivers license because they are too old and their reflexes aren't as quick. Remember driving is a privledge not a right.
Jason
 
   / Firearms/NRA/Gun Laws #74  
Re: Toddler

Toddler,

I generally try and be polite to those who express opinions that defy common sense or fact, generalizing beyond their experience, and in addition demonstrating a high level of hypocrisy, so here goes, briefly.

These comments cover things not addressed in previous replies to your post.

I am not aware of any NRA statement that is contrary to implimentation of the National Instant Background Check system. In fact, it was the NRA's idea. What the NRA and it's members oppose are waiting periods and registration. This is fact and contrary to your statements.

'Handgun users have a problem with missing their target a lot' !? A statement along a similar vein would be that "doctors charge patients too much". Both are obviously overgeneralized statements.

The reason one doesn't carry openly in a crowded grocery store is because it would be too easy for a criminal to grab it. It is definitely better that an assailant cannot assess your capabilities prior to an attack.

Which brings me to my final point. Do you carry a sign with you at all times that says " I am trained in martial arts"? I mean, I can't look at you and tell that your body is a trained weapon. But you know what, I don't care, because I know you are a law abiding citizen and should be able to do that kind of stuff. I wonder if everybody who receives martial art training uses it for good however . . .

I realize that working with the dregs of society might have jaded you to the wonderful things this country has to offer, like freedom. Just try not to let it affect your civility in the future. Opinions are everywhere, but I have little patience for those based on emotion, rather than fact or experience.

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   / Firearms/NRA/Gun Laws #75  
Re: dekker

Hmmm, well, Todd, looks like you're in the minority this time. You came on pretty strong with your response to some of the earlier messages, and some of us came on pretty strong back at you. But I hope no one's mad at anyone and we're all still friends and can disagree without being disagreeable./w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

Bird
 
   / Firearms/NRA/Gun Laws #76  
Re: dekker

well sir, you did make me laugh ... not p*** me off .... I always enjoy hearing from people who have been completely brainwashed. And, just so that you understand "the other side" ... it is people like you that make me determined to continue to support the NRA and support freedom.

too bad that common sense ain't
 
   / Firearms/NRA/Gun Laws #77  
I forget where I saw it (bumper sticker I think) says:

"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my handgun."

Steve
 
   / Firearms/NRA/Gun Laws #78  
Well, I guess I did piss off a few people. Sorry if I wrote too strongly, but the discussion seemed to be far too one sided. And before I respond, I'd like to appologize to Rich. I didn't intend to call you stupid, just the statement that requiring a drivers license hasn't done a lot to decrease driver related accidents. It has, as has drivers education. I don't think any of you are stupid, and I don't think I'm brainwashed. (Nor do I think my patients are honest with me Bird /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif) I actually think I agree with more of what you are saying than you know, and I don't think more laws are the answer to the issue we're "discussing".

I do think that if you have something against a waiting period so that a thorough backround check can be done on you before you buy a gun, then you seriously overestimate how easy it is to do a backround check on somebody in a gun shop. That is where the reference to my patients is truly applicable.
I'm not for banning any kind of gun, or limiting the number of rounds you can have in a clip. I agree that's silly.
I'm strongly for mandatory education, stringent backround checks. I think that most people who buy a gun from a shop, do so with no intent to use it to harm others, but I also think most of them also have no knowlege of gun safety. Stories of patients who have shot themselves in the foot, of of children who accidentally shoot children are few and far between, and the children's stories are sensationalized by the media, BUT, if you think I'm going to agree with any idea that might increase that minimal risk, just to make it easier and more convenient to obtain a gun...
As to concealed weapons. If you are carrying a gun someplace you think someone might take it from you if it's visible, maybe you shouldn't be there. Worse, if you think someone might grab your gun where there's a crowd of people around, having it is a bad idea because you might hit an innocent. If Denney had had a concealed weapon, I don't know how many people might have died, or who they would have been. If he had had a racked shotgun in view...
I'm pro education and waiting period, and having just changed my daughter's "poopy" diaper between the last sentance and this one, thinking maybe I should argue more against concealled weapons, except mace or pepper spray.
Todd
 
   / Firearms/NRA/Gun Laws #79  
Apology accepted Todd and just about everything you wrote in that post I also agree with. Thanks for being civil and I don't envy you with the child duties. Mine are 3 and 5 now and when they were potty trained was a glorious day for me!!! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

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   / Firearms/NRA/Gun Laws #80  
Re: dekker

Todd, I'm one of the minority that agree with alot of what you say, but like Richard (Cowboydoc) and Bird sort of said, we all usually agree to disagree without being disagreeable./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif This is a very volatile and passionate topic, and we should refrain from calling each other names, or making fun of other's opinions. We all have a right to our opinions, and we often have fun debating with each other. But when it comes to namecalling, that crosses the line. Even though I may agree with alot of what you said, I take offense at you belittling other people and their opinions. I consider many of the members of this forum my friends, and Pete has refered to it as a community, and that's what we are. Please feel free to express your opinion, but lets try to keep it on a civil level. /w3tcompact/icons/cool.gif
 

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