Firearms/NRA/Gun Laws
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Jay,
You ever smoke duck or goose or make jerky out of it? I really like it that way.
You ever smoke duck or goose or make jerky out of it? I really like it that way.
Jay,
This weekend starting tomorrow the NRA convention is in Kansas City at Bartle Hall. Admission is free to members and you can join for 10 dollars at the door. I'm not sure how much it is if you're not a member. Charlton Heston is supposed to be there tomorrow morning. The other side is having some protest rallies somewhere downtown too. The million mom march is scheduled to be there but I doubt they get a significant fraction of a million people.
Richard, I've had smoked wild turkey and goose but haven't tried the jerky. Sounds good though!
This weekend starting tomorrow the NRA convention is in Kansas City at Bartle Hall. Admission is free to members and you can join for 10 dollars at the door. I'm not sure how much it is if you're not a member. Charlton Heston is supposed to be there tomorrow morning. The other side is having some protest rallies somewhere downtown too. The million mom march is scheduled to be there but I doubt they get a significant fraction of a million people.
Richard, I've had smoked wild turkey and goose but haven't tried the jerky. Sounds good though!
Richard,
Yes sir I have. Duck and Geese are great as jerky. I don't always have the patience to wait that long. My brother bought my father a smoker for Christmas 2 years ago. I don't know if he has used it yet but I sure have. If I cook the Duck or Geese I soak the meat for 2 days in milk to tenderize. Then I marinate in a variety of flavors. Also great in the crockpot!
Jason
Yes sir I have. Duck and Geese are great as jerky. I don't always have the patience to wait that long. My brother bought my father a smoker for Christmas 2 years ago. I don't know if he has used it yet but I sure have. If I cook the Duck or Geese I soak the meat for 2 days in milk to tenderize. Then I marinate in a variety of flavors. Also great in the crockpot!
Jason
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To me this is not nearly as complex as some people make it out to be. It comes down to either you believe in the Constitution, or you don't.
The 2nd amendment states <font color=blue>"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."</font color=blue>
I've heard a great deal of discussion about the first part as if the second part hinges on it. Not true. We can argue the meaning of the first part from now on. Whatever it may mean, you still end up with " the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Therefore any law that infringes upon a citizens right to have and carry a firearm is unconstitutional. Plain and simple.
The fact that the supreme court overlooks this, does not make it less true. If the goverment wants to infringe upon peoples right to keep and bear arms then congress needs to repeal the second amendment.
Ernie
The 2nd amendment states <font color=blue>"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."</font color=blue>
I've heard a great deal of discussion about the first part as if the second part hinges on it. Not true. We can argue the meaning of the first part from now on. Whatever it may mean, you still end up with " the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Therefore any law that infringes upon a citizens right to have and carry a firearm is unconstitutional. Plain and simple.
The fact that the supreme court overlooks this, does not make it less true. If the goverment wants to infringe upon peoples right to keep and bear arms then congress needs to repeal the second amendment.
Ernie
RobertN
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I like duck and geese, although I have never got one myself.
For fowl, try drenching it with fresh squeezed lemon, and then sprinkle with fresh cracked pepper. Then, smoke it with Alder chips. Be sure to baste with Lemon as it smokes, to keep it moist. Yummmy!
RobertN in Shingle Springs Calif
For fowl, try drenching it with fresh squeezed lemon, and then sprinkle with fresh cracked pepper. Then, smoke it with Alder chips. Be sure to baste with Lemon as it smokes, to keep it moist. Yummmy!
RobertN in Shingle Springs Calif
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Bill,
The term ‘Assault rifle’ has lost its meaning over the last years.
A semiautomatic gun will fire one bullet each time the trigger is pulled, like a common double action revolver. Semiautomatic guns – rifles and pistols have gained popularity for hunting and target shooting since World War II.
A fully automatic gun (a machine gun) will fire bullets as long as the trigger is held and there are bullets in the magazine. Commonly on light machine guns a mode will be provided to fire 3 shots when the trigger is pulled.
An assault rifle originally was a short rifle with full automatic and semi-automatic modes. For civilian use these guns are controlled as machine guns.
In 1934 congress passed a law placing controls on machine guns. The purchase of a Machine Gun requires a federal government background check and the payment of a $200 transfer tax (big money when enacted in 1934) before the gun could be delivered. The background check is extensive and takes months. Some states do not allow licensed machine guns most do. There is only one crime on record committed with a licensed machine gun since 1934. (The criminal was also a deputy sheriff, he shot his drug dealer.)
In 1984 Congress passed a law, which banned the private ownership of any machine gun manufactured after 1984. No justification was necessary beyond that they had the votes. It clearly was not a crime control measure.
The ‘ugly black plastic gun’ is associated in people’s minds with a machine gun. The AR15 looks like the M16 assault rifle. The M16 operates in either full automatic or semiautomatic mode, and other than a few per-1984 models in private hands they are for military use. The AR15 is a semiautomatic rifle (without a full automatic mode) but has the black plastic stock and carry handle like the M16.
The black plastic stock is functional for a hunting gun. They are rugged, do not absorb moisture (wood will change shape and affect accuracy), have a non reflective surface…
The ‘Assault rifle’ legislation has basically been aimed at ‘ugly black guns’.
When I was the on the political watch committee of a local gun club, I did a demonstration for politicians. I take a wood stocked semiautomatic hunting rifle, very traditional. Remove one screw. Pop the barrel and action out of the stock. Drop it in a black fiberglass folding stock and abracadabra, an evil black plastic gun.
Basically the Assault Rifle legislation is banning guns based on cosmetics.
Ed
The term ‘Assault rifle’ has lost its meaning over the last years.
A semiautomatic gun will fire one bullet each time the trigger is pulled, like a common double action revolver. Semiautomatic guns – rifles and pistols have gained popularity for hunting and target shooting since World War II.
A fully automatic gun (a machine gun) will fire bullets as long as the trigger is held and there are bullets in the magazine. Commonly on light machine guns a mode will be provided to fire 3 shots when the trigger is pulled.
An assault rifle originally was a short rifle with full automatic and semi-automatic modes. For civilian use these guns are controlled as machine guns.
In 1934 congress passed a law placing controls on machine guns. The purchase of a Machine Gun requires a federal government background check and the payment of a $200 transfer tax (big money when enacted in 1934) before the gun could be delivered. The background check is extensive and takes months. Some states do not allow licensed machine guns most do. There is only one crime on record committed with a licensed machine gun since 1934. (The criminal was also a deputy sheriff, he shot his drug dealer.)
In 1984 Congress passed a law, which banned the private ownership of any machine gun manufactured after 1984. No justification was necessary beyond that they had the votes. It clearly was not a crime control measure.
The ‘ugly black plastic gun’ is associated in people’s minds with a machine gun. The AR15 looks like the M16 assault rifle. The M16 operates in either full automatic or semiautomatic mode, and other than a few per-1984 models in private hands they are for military use. The AR15 is a semiautomatic rifle (without a full automatic mode) but has the black plastic stock and carry handle like the M16.
The black plastic stock is functional for a hunting gun. They are rugged, do not absorb moisture (wood will change shape and affect accuracy), have a non reflective surface…
The ‘Assault rifle’ legislation has basically been aimed at ‘ugly black guns’.
When I was the on the political watch committee of a local gun club, I did a demonstration for politicians. I take a wood stocked semiautomatic hunting rifle, very traditional. Remove one screw. Pop the barrel and action out of the stock. Drop it in a black fiberglass folding stock and abracadabra, an evil black plastic gun.
Basically the Assault Rifle legislation is banning guns based on cosmetics.
Ed
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Bob,
A training requirement for gun ownership is an invitation for government abuse. A requirement to demonstrate ‘need’ for a personal protection permit is to deny personal protection to all but the politically favored in much of the country (e.g. most of New York and California). We see the result in New York City and San Francisco. A Donald Trump has no problem getting a permit to carry yet an ordinary person has no chance to get a permit. Under the demonstrated ‘need’ systems the ‘beautiful people’ can always get permits but the rest of us are out of luck.
I think our friends from Vermont have the right system, any citizen of Vermont not otherwise disqualified, can carry concealed for personal protection.
It is a good idea to get training. I consider training on the legal aspects as well as the mechanical aspects to be essential for personal protection by firearms, but a government training requirement is too easily abused. The abuse is minimized when the training can be satisfied from a large number of training providers.
I lived in Massachusetts a few years ago. Let me tell you whet happened when I went in for a Massachusetts pistol permit. This permit is required to purchase or transport (in a locked container) a pistol in Massachusetts.
Massachusetts law provided for a state application, administered by the local police, with a background check performed by the state police within 30 days.
I called the Lowell (a medium size Massachusetts city) police and was told I must come in and the office was open one hour a week.
I went in at the appointed time, found the office in the basement, and waited in line to see the officer. I was told that the city of Lowell require a particular course be taken before the license process could start and the officer handed me a business card for the only approved instructor. I asked why I couldn’t have been told this when I called and was told that giving information on the phone was not the way the Lowell Police did things. There was no provision in Massachusetts law allowing a local training requirement let alone setting up a local training monopoly.
I took the course the next time it was offered (it started in a month an a half) and returned to the police department the following week (in the 1 hour window), and waited in line. This time I was told of the Local Police departments reference requirements. There was no provision in Massachusetts law to require letters of reference.
I obtained the letters of reference and returned to the police department and waited in line. I was allowed to fill out a CITY application. I was given an appointment to return in two months to fill out the STATE application. There was no provision in Massachusetts law allowing a CITY application.
I returned at the appointed time, waited in line, was photographed and fingerprinted, and filled out the state application and was told to call and check if the permit was back in a month (after the state had completed my background check).
In a month I called, found out the permit was ready and I went in, waited in line, and picked up my permit.
The process took 6 1/2 months in spite of the state law which provided for a less than 30 day process. The local procedure had clearly been designed to maximize inconvenience and make all but the most determined give up and forget about getting the permit.
Other cities in Massachusetts made Lowell look positively gun-owner friendly.
These cities just refused to give out the state application under any conditions. A lawyer took Boston to court to force the issuance of a personal protection permit. The case took years and the lawyer won, a surprise in the Massachusetts courts. Boston presented her with a permit with an issue date the date she originally tried to apply, a permit which had already expired. They told her if she was unhappy she could start a new lawsuit.
I now live in New Hampshire.
Ed
A training requirement for gun ownership is an invitation for government abuse. A requirement to demonstrate ‘need’ for a personal protection permit is to deny personal protection to all but the politically favored in much of the country (e.g. most of New York and California). We see the result in New York City and San Francisco. A Donald Trump has no problem getting a permit to carry yet an ordinary person has no chance to get a permit. Under the demonstrated ‘need’ systems the ‘beautiful people’ can always get permits but the rest of us are out of luck.
I think our friends from Vermont have the right system, any citizen of Vermont not otherwise disqualified, can carry concealed for personal protection.
It is a good idea to get training. I consider training on the legal aspects as well as the mechanical aspects to be essential for personal protection by firearms, but a government training requirement is too easily abused. The abuse is minimized when the training can be satisfied from a large number of training providers.
I lived in Massachusetts a few years ago. Let me tell you whet happened when I went in for a Massachusetts pistol permit. This permit is required to purchase or transport (in a locked container) a pistol in Massachusetts.
Massachusetts law provided for a state application, administered by the local police, with a background check performed by the state police within 30 days.
I called the Lowell (a medium size Massachusetts city) police and was told I must come in and the office was open one hour a week.
I went in at the appointed time, found the office in the basement, and waited in line to see the officer. I was told that the city of Lowell require a particular course be taken before the license process could start and the officer handed me a business card for the only approved instructor. I asked why I couldn’t have been told this when I called and was told that giving information on the phone was not the way the Lowell Police did things. There was no provision in Massachusetts law allowing a local training requirement let alone setting up a local training monopoly.
I took the course the next time it was offered (it started in a month an a half) and returned to the police department the following week (in the 1 hour window), and waited in line. This time I was told of the Local Police departments reference requirements. There was no provision in Massachusetts law to require letters of reference.
I obtained the letters of reference and returned to the police department and waited in line. I was allowed to fill out a CITY application. I was given an appointment to return in two months to fill out the STATE application. There was no provision in Massachusetts law allowing a CITY application.
I returned at the appointed time, waited in line, was photographed and fingerprinted, and filled out the state application and was told to call and check if the permit was back in a month (after the state had completed my background check).
In a month I called, found out the permit was ready and I went in, waited in line, and picked up my permit.
The process took 6 1/2 months in spite of the state law which provided for a less than 30 day process. The local procedure had clearly been designed to maximize inconvenience and make all but the most determined give up and forget about getting the permit.
Other cities in Massachusetts made Lowell look positively gun-owner friendly.
These cities just refused to give out the state application under any conditions. A lawyer took Boston to court to force the issuance of a personal protection permit. The case took years and the lawyer won, a surprise in the Massachusetts courts. Boston presented her with a permit with an issue date the date she originally tried to apply, a permit which had already expired. They told her if she was unhappy she could start a new lawsuit.
I now live in New Hampshire.
Ed
dekker,
Doesn't the m-16 A2 use either a semi-automatic or 3 round burst? The older A-1 used the full-auto capability right? Don'y you also have to purchase a "Seal" through the ATF which also licenses the gun to you? In NH you need to have a seal for every machine gun you own. The seal actually licensed the firing sier or action because of other models having interchangeable parts.
Jason
Doesn't the m-16 A2 use either a semi-automatic or 3 round burst? The older A-1 used the full-auto capability right? Don'y you also have to purchase a "Seal" through the ATF which also licenses the gun to you? In NH you need to have a seal for every machine gun you own. The seal actually licensed the firing sier or action because of other models having interchangeable parts.
Jason