Firewood versus Pellets

/ Firewood versus Pellets #21  
There are nice things about pellet stoves, but ... it's sort of removed from traditional rural wood heat conceptually.

The need for wood pellets adds a layer of supply and cost that you don't have much control over. In that sense, it's just another fuel like propane, electric, etc. Since I own plenty of wood for fuel (as long as I pay the taxes :laughing:) it seems counter-productive to invite in an uncontrollable unknown.

I feel the same way, although I wish I could burn wood chips efficiently. (I don't really want an outdoor boiler.)

As far as the supply issue goes you can always make your own Make Your Own Pellets... of course you can buy a LOT of pellets for $5795. (At least it runs from your tractor PTO)
 
/ Firewood versus Pellets #22  
I feel the same way, although I wish I could burn wood chips efficiently. (I don't really want an outdoor boiler.)

As far as the supply issue goes you can always make your own Make Your Own Pellets... of course you can buy a LOT of pellets for $5795. (At least it runs from your tractor PTO)

It sounds like you either feed the pellet maker sawdust, or soft biomass (twigs and small branches?). I don't know about stuffing "soft biomass" into that hopper. :laughing: I guess sawdust, if you had a supply, could be shoveled in.

I've never experimented with burning chips in a regular wood stove. They are boogers to get dry. Every pile (from the BX62 chipper) I've scooped up is wet inside no matter how old it is. If you collect them fresh, dry them good somehow, and had some sort of burn pot with holes in the bottom to set in the stove, you might get some heat.
 
/ Firewood versus Pellets #23  
I have heated with wood the last two years with an old inefficient wood furnace. This fall I added a Harman P68, it puts out 68000 btu so more than enough heat output for my place 1600 square foot slab house. As others have said they do require some work, but really not that much. I scrap the burn pot once a week when I do my cleaning. The cleaning takes about 15 minutes, you do not have to spend 200 dollars on an ash vac, a shop vac with a drywall filter does just fine. You have to wait for the stove to cool anyway, even with the ash vac.

Some other brands I am told do require a lot more work; harder to clean, daily ash removal. It is like anything else you get what you pay for. I mainly bought the pellet stove for the shoulder seasons and for when we go away for a couple of days during the holidays (also purchased the extended hopper). As already mentioned some can run off a UPS or just a deep cycle battery for the time power goes off.

I also purchased a new epa stove at the same time to cut my wood usage down. I have yet to install it and have been heating only with the pellet stove. We have already had a few day were the temp has dropped to below zero and the pellet stove kept up just fine. That said the wife (and myself) like the wood heat much better. I hope to have the new wood stove installed by the end of the month.

Oh ya, did anyone mention the pellet stoves are noisy?
 
/ Firewood versus Pellets #24  
The cleaning takes about 15 minutes, you do not have to spend 200 dollars on an ash vac, a shop vac with a drywall filter does just fine. You have to wait for the stove to cool anyway, even with the ash vac.

With an ash vac you have to wait for it to be cool enough to work on but not dead cold. With a shop vac I would want to wait until it is dead cold before sucking ash into a paper bag. My point was more that you likely need a vacuum whereas with a wood stove you just need a little shovel and a bucket. The typical fireplace/wood stove shovel won't even fit into the holes were the ash collects in my pellet stove. You end up using something like a measuring cup... very tedious over using a vacuum.
 
/ Firewood versus Pellets #25  
It sounds like you either feed the pellet maker sawdust, or soft biomass (twigs and small branches?). I don't know about stuffing "soft biomass" into that hopper. :laughing: I guess sawdust, if you had a supply, could be shoveled in.

I've never experimented with burning chips in a regular wood stove. They are boogers to get dry. Every pile (from the BX62 chipper) I've scooped up is wet inside no matter how old it is. If you collect them fresh, dry them good somehow, and had some sort of burn pot with holes in the bottom to set in the stove, you might get some heat.

If you go to the trouble of getting dry chips you might want to look into a wood-gas generator.
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/ Firewood versus Pellets #26  
I went with a wood stove over pellets or gas because I want to be 100% sure I can have the fuel to create the heat I want when I need it. I want to know that all I have to do is get firewood split and stacked, and I'm safe to make it through winter, no matter what happens. If I lose power, if the roads flood out, and even if we have super inflation and I can't afford to buy pellets or propane, I can still find wood out in the forest.

Eddie
 
/ Firewood versus Pellets #27  
I went with a wood stove over pellets or gas because I want to be 100% sure I can have the fuel to create the heat I want when I need it. I want to know that all I have to do is get firewood split and stacked, and I'm safe to make it through winter, no matter what happens. If I lose power, if the roads flood out, and even if we have super inflation and I can't afford to buy pellets or propane, I can still find wood out in the forest.

Eddie
I would have liked to put a wood stove in for those same reasons but the design of the heart prevented it. Instead I have a supply of firewood put up for my shop which does have a wood stove. One thing I do have on my list is to install an outlet near the pellet stove that goes to a generator plug outside near the fresh air intake. This way it would be quick and painless to get the pellet stove going on genny.
 
/ Firewood versus Pellets #28  
We put in a Harman XXV pellet stove in 2008 as supplemental heat. We have a finished basement, and that's where my office is (I work from home), so I wanted something to warm it up. It was always cold in the basement, no matter what we had the thermostat set on upstairs. Much to our surprise, it is more than supplemental heat, and actually does about 80% of the heating of our 1750 sq. ft. rancher (plus fully finished basement) on about a bag of pellets a day. Our heating ill dropped drastically after adding the pellet stove.

We burn about 2 tons of pellets per year. The only issues we have had is a certain brand of pellets (Ozark Hardwood Pellets) are too long (about 3") and clog up the auger, and the igniter is currently out. I haven't replaced the igniter because I don't use it that much. I light the stove with gel, keep it lit, and only shut it down about once every 2-3 weeks to clean the glass. As far as maintenance, above cleaning the glass, I clean the hard deposits off the fire box and scrape the heat exchangers about once a week or so, and give the stove a thorough cleaning twice a year. The thorough cleaning takes about 30 minutes to suck out all of the ash, dump the ash pan, and clean off the combustion fan. That is the only time I need to use a shop vac to clean it out.

I have an inverter and a deep cycle battery (out of our fifth wheel) to use when the power goes out. It only takes about 80 watts or so to run the combustion and distribution blowers, so a battery will last a while. If it dies, I've got a tractor, 2 ATV's, 2 kids' dune buggies, a car each with a battery, and 2 batteries in my diesel truck. Essentially, I can have heat as long as I have fuel to keep one of those vehicles running to charge the battery every now and then.

We had a wood stove when I was growing up, and we thought about putting one in. However, we all have allergies and sinus issues, and a pellet stove is SO much cleaner, and MUCH less work than a wood stove. Plus, it's a much more even heat. We have the thermostat in the basement set on 73. It's 73 in the main part of the basement where the stove is, 72 in the bathroom down the hall, and 73 in my office. It stays about 69-70 upstairs, and our main furnace is set to kick in at 69. Essentially, you get similar heat to a wood stove (though it isn't radiant like a wood stove) with much less hassle, fuss, dirt, dust and work. We love ours, and are trying to decide if we want to put a pellet stove or heated basement floors in our new house we build next year.

If you do get one, make sure you get a good one. Don't buy a cheapie, as you will regret it. I highly recommend Harman. I did a ton of research before buying, and the consensus is to go with Harman or Quadrafire (both are now owned by the same company). We just liked the looks of the Harman XXV over the Quadrafire.
 
/ Firewood versus Pellets #29  
If you switch to pellets, you lose out on all the good conversations about which wood is best, how to season it, how to stack it, how to cut it, how to split it, which chainsaw is best and most interesting of all, how you avoided that tree - or didn't - that you just cut when it fell unexpectedly in your direction.
 
/ Firewood versus Pellets #30  
Several years ago I found that I was physically unable to cut and split wood. If I had to buy wood the heating cost was in line with oil or gas. I looked into pellets and discovered that for many of the reasons given in this thread, they weren't for me.
I ended up burning coal. There are downsides to coal. It is dirty, smelly, and I still need to store it under cover. (If it does get wet, it is usable when it dries out) The plus side is I only need to tend the fire once every 10-12hrs or so. Fuel cost is also low, $125 per ton. I usually burn about two 5gal buckets full per day.
If I end up with some free wood, I can also burn it.
Up north coal is more expensive, but you will be buying anthracite, instead of soft coal, and it has more BTU's per ton.
I didn't intend to hijack the thread, just point out another alternative.
There is no free lunch. Good luck in making your decision. Stay warm.

Best, Bill
 
/ Firewood versus Pellets #31  
If you switch to pellets, you lose out on all the good conversations about which wood is best, how to season it, how to stack it, how to cut it, how to split it, which chainsaw is best and most interesting of all, how you avoided that tree - or didn't - that you just cut when it fell unexpectedly in your direction.

Speaking of...using pellets is a lot safer! :)

Not only in acquiring the fuel, but also in burning it. And it frees up a lot of time as well.
 
/ Firewood versus Pellets #32  
Speaking of...using pellets is a lot safer! :)

Not only in acquiring the fuel, but also in burning it. And it frees up a lot of time as well.

If I didnt spend so much time felling trees, hauling splitting stacking wood , my post count might be much higher......but then my weight might be too lol
 
/ Firewood versus Pellets #33  
Several years ago I found that I was physically unable to cut and split wood. If I had to buy wood the heating cost was in line with oil or gas. I looked into pellets and discovered that for many of the reasons given in this thread, they weren't for me.
I ended up burning coal. There are downsides to coal. It is dirty, smelly, and I still need to store it under cover. (If it does get wet, it is usable when it dries out) The plus side is I only need to tend the fire once every 10-12hrs or so. Fuel cost is also low, $125 per ton. I usually burn about two 5gal buckets full per day.
If I end up with some free wood, I can also burn it.
Up north coal is more expensive, but you will be buying anthracite, instead of soft coal, and it has more BTU's per ton.
I didn't intend to hijack the thread, just point out another alternative.
There is no free lunch. Good luck in making your decision. Stay warm.

Best, Bill

That's why I mentioned the Harman PC45 . They have been known to burn coal or a coal pellet mix.
 
/ Firewood versus Pellets #34  
I have burned firewood for 20 years and am thinking about switching to wood pellets. My house is single story with full basement, and the wood stove is in the basement. The basement ceiling is insulated (hot water radiant floor heating under floor between the floor joists), so I have a hood over the wood stove with an 8 inch round duct into the living room.

I burn 3 cords of wood a year and the 1400 square foot house is about 72 degrees during the coldest winter nights without burning propane in the boiler.

May go to pellets because: won't have to buy and stack wood; can buy pellets and stack them in the basement at my own convenience; no bugs with pellets; consistency of pellets compared with wood; wood is getting to be between $245 and $275 a cord and seasoned/ dry wood is getting scarce. Not to mention, wood delivery truck usually leaves ruts in yard, or I have to schedules delivery only during mid summer when I don't have enough time for it to season.

Has anybody made the change, and what has been your experience? I know I will need a new stove, and will have to retrofit my duct to get the heat upstairs. Thanks.
Good reading here Hearth.com - Information on Fireplaces, Wood Stoves, Pellet Stoves, etc. We have a had a wood pellet stove for the last 10 plus years.We spend about $600-$700 per year to heat our 1765ft sq.house at 72 degrees with our Avalon stove.Love it.
 
/ Firewood versus Pellets #35  
If you switch to pellets, you lose out on all the good conversations about which wood is best, how to season it, how to stack it, how to cut it, how to split it, which chainsaw is best and most interesting of all, how you avoided that tree - or didn't - that you just cut when it fell unexpectedly in your direction.

Not to mention the face cord vs real cord discussions.
 
/ Firewood versus Pellets #36  
Speaking of...using pellets is a lot safer! :)

Haven't seen many stories about someone cutting their foot with an axe while trying to split a pellet.

:)

Bruce
 
/ Firewood versus Pellets #37  
Just a caution that wood stoves can have hidden costs. A friend put in a wood stove to save on the oil bill. At first he had the wood delivered but then switched and got a chain saw to cut down trees in his yard. That lasted a season or two before he decided to buy a wood lot an hour or so from his house. Of course a truck was needed to haul the wood. Then to have quality time with his son he put a trailer on the land so they could stay overnight on a weekend and cut wood. Last I heard his wife decided it was time to retire and they moved to Florida.
 
/ Firewood versus Pellets #38  
If you switch to pellets, you lose out on all the good conversations about which wood is best, how to season it, how to stack it, how to cut it, how to split it, which chainsaw is best and most interesting of all, how you avoided that tree - or didn't - that you just cut when it fell unexpectedly in your direction.

But instead you get to participate in all the discussions as to which brand of pellets is best, when to buy them, where to buy them, what the current pricing is in your area, how that compares to other areas, how to stack and cover them, why isn't the quality the same this year as the ones last year. Oh, and maybe how to avoid getting hurt when the stack of bags falls over on you ;-)
 
/ Firewood versus Pellets #39  
I have found both good and bad pellet batches in the same brand. Now I just go by looks, if it looks like it has lots of bark, dirt or pine needles (we are all softwood out here) in it then I avoid it. Wood pellets should look like wood. When the local farm store puts on their 'stock up now' sale at the end of summer I go poke a hole in a random bag (if there isn't already one of that brand torn open) and have a look.
 
/ Firewood versus Pellets #40  
Not to highjack this thread, but I am looking for a stove brush. Often times I use a regular paint brush to brush off the ash inside the stove. Of course if the stove is hot, the brush burns, melts. Is there some type of high temperature brush similar to a paint brush to remove the ash?

Wes
 

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